goldypurple Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11674725 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 thats about the minimum we could have expected really, not really a big deal IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldypurple Posted November 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 links for the full report http://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/Dat...ReportPart1.pdf http://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/Dat...ReportPart2.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Is anyone else having probs with the BBC website ? Everytime I click on the link it starts to load then dumps my internet connection ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdy Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Don't forget these are 'recommendations' from one man's enquiry. The proposals are SO fundamentaly flawed that they should be countered by BASC etc very easily. Winning the argument is one thing, however. Getting common sense and balance introduced into actual legislative changes, if any, is very different. To be 'pigeon-holed' because I own a gun legally is REALLY beiginning to **** me off!! Self-appointed 'experts' like Squires pontificating on the BBC Breakfast's couch this morning is just about typical of the media coverage. The BBC are a disgrace. Utterly ridiculous offerings from the likes of Brian May (remember, a guitarist!) given prominence in their 'in depth coverage'. PATHETIC. As long as the chattering class, Islington-set are calling the shots at the BBC then we we should expect more and more urban-biased and utterly ignorant editorial influence. And as for the fraudster Keith Vaz presiding over a select commitee in a neutral way!! It sickens me that the tail is wagging the dog in this country nowadays. Aaaaaaggghhhhh!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Is anyone else having probs with the BBC website ? Everytime I click on the link it starts to load then dumps my internet connection ! Did that to me too. Not entirely sure how though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 As for the proposals, they appear to be the usual reactionary twaddle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boristhedog Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 From the BBC News site: 'ACC Whiting said the law needed to be clarified around the use of firearms for pest control after what he described as a "significant" increase in handguns held for such purposes.' Could someone explain this please. Other than single shot .22 and those handguns used for humane dispatch, I thought all other handguns had been taken out of 'legal' circulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 From the BBC News site: 'ACC Whiting said the law needed to be clarified around the use of firearms for pest control after what he described as a "significant" increase in handguns held for such purposes.' Could someone explain this please. Other than single shot .22 and those handguns used for humane dispatch, I thought all other handguns had been taken out of 'legal' circulation. It's exactly that. Handguns are being issued for humane dispatch and somebody doesn't like it. Every time laws have changed due to the actions of a nutter there have been firearms not involved in those actions restricted further anyway. With science coming up with contraception and other control methods for animals all the time shooting only has a limited life. I think we will lose our guns in my lifetime but hey, there's not much we can do about it. Shoot the **** out of everything you can while you still have the chance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 With science coming up with contraception and other control methods for animals all the time shooting only has a limited life. Pigeon prophylactics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Pigeon prophylactics? Not needed, just surgical remove the cloaca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 To an outsider its FAC holders getting round the ban on handguns by giving all sorts of reasons for needing one for Humane despatch. If the numbers are going up fast then it will have a knock on effect for those who really need one if they get restricted further. Doesn't look good from a public perception side of things, simple fact is we don't look set to loose guns but may have to justify need a little harder and if our GP is worried they may need to notify the police. No real big issues there and there may be a plus point if there is any that he used two of the most common types of gun that would be hardest to ban as it would stop shooting overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Something tells me they will struggle to ban shotguns. Too many toffs have them and nobody ever wants to upset the money crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 While I am sorry for her loss But Jude Talbot, the daughter of Michael Pike, shot dead by Bird as he took his morning cycle in Seascale, said while she grew up around shotguns in rural Cumbria, there was no place for them in homes. She told MPs on the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, which is reviewing firearm controls: "We should not have guns kept in a dwelling. I see no reason why they can't be kept in a gun club. "I don't think we should be keeping things that kill and maim in a residential area." Exceptions could be made for farmers to lock their guns away in an outhouse, she suggested. I think this woman is a bit stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agjm Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 While I am sorry for her loss I think this woman is a bit stupid. Hmm..yeah..im sure my feo would love the idea of my guns being left in a barn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 What I find strange is the focus that has been placed on the fact that Derek Bird had a criminal record for theft and handling (it was probably something low level as he didn't serve any time) and that the tragedy could have been avoided had his FAC been revoked because of that criminal conviction. Yes it could have been avoided, but not for the right reason - which is important to understand if you want to stop this from happening again in the future. Obviously, getting caught for theft probably does not make you a fit and proper person to hold an FAC under current guidelines, however, the theft conviction is entirely distinct from being a nutter. I suspect that Derek Bird would have snapped regardless of his criminal conviction for theft. Accordingly, if the government want to minimise this happening again the core interest must be whether someone is a nutter, which is why they want to reign in the GPs into this and who I bet will give the proposal two fingers. This is all about backside covering. If you insert an extra link in the certification process and an added level of GP "authorisation, sign off and reporting" then if something goes wrong everyone gets to point the finger at the GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 This is all about backside covering. If you insert an extra link in the certification process and an added level of GP "authorisation, sign off and reporting" then if something goes wrong everyone gets to point the finger at the GP. Well said. You just can't stop or predict someone 'snapping' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Bringing GP's in = someone else to pass the buck to. Other issue is if you shoot and start to become depressed there are people who would rather try and battle on themselves rather than going to the GP, knowing full well that they may have their guns taken away as a result of their condition. There is NO accounting for what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby63 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Well Lads just watched my local news itv northeast tonight and again the Cumbria shooting by dereck bird was their top story and the waffle of his licensing and how many rounds hes allowed to have etc, boils my blood ! just wish they would get more info from the relavent people first when making a story and inform the puplic of the rules permitted for shotgun and FAC, so they know all was in order ! other than peoples opions on what they say is wrong before making judgement on all shooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petethegeek Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 This interview from the BBC website has an interesting twist about two thirds of the way through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricko Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 If someone 'snaps' then there is a choice of items to go berserk with that do not need licensing, eg car, chainsaw, axe, carving knife etc etc. that could all cause a lot of misery. I think that Shotgun/Firearm laws are fairly tight in the UK. I nominated my GP for my renewel and he ok'd the FEO decision. We haven't had an arms amnesty for a few years, looking at YouTube and the area where I work (as a teacher) there are a hell of a lot of un-licensed weapons still out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 If someone 'snaps' then there is a choice of items to go berserk with that do not need licensing, eg car, chainsaw, axe, carving knife etc etc. that could all cause a lot of misery.I think that Shotgun/Firearm laws are fairly tight in the UK. I nominated my GP for my renewel and he ok'd the FEO decision. We haven't had an arms amnesty for a few years, looking at YouTube and the area where I work (as a teacher) there are a hell of a lot of un-licensed weapons still out there. I think they should ban cars after that person drove into the crowd of clubbers in Manchester As you quite rightly said, if someone snaps, there's plenty of other things that can be used to hurt someone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 this female has no idear, if all guns were kept in one place it would be a bigger target for theves .and they would get away with a lot og guns, and end up on the streets, she wants to go to bed and stay there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddan Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 While I am sorry for her loss I think this woman is a bit stupid. No just grieving and looking for someone/thing to blame. Grasping at straws is part of the process. The GP thing will be interesting because mine wouldn't say yes or no to suitability as he said that was the job of the police. I wonder how many will refuse to comment and so the police will refuce the licence on the basis that the GP is unable to confirm suitability. The bit about formally asking family on suitablility is also interesting. Do I think anything will change, no because it is never as straightforward to implement as these reports make out. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I cannot even apply for a FAC as I'm being treated for mild depression, yet I could probably get my hands on an illegal firearm and ammo if I tried hard enough, there seems to be plenty used in armed robberies every day. I could really flip tomorrow morning, jump in my 3.5 tonne LWB van and drive it into the local school playground or bus station, then jump out and see a few more people off with my chainsaw, before running into a crowded office and blowing myself and all the staff to bits with my homemade bomb vest that I learned to make on the Internet.... Would this mean the end of vans, petrol driven power tools and the whole WWW internet thingy.... How many people are killed each year by drunk drivers? (I don't drink alcohol at all, but why not take my licence of me 'just to be safe') This country is well and truly @@@@ed up, thats a fact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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