Dead-Eyed Duck Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 I've been watching the news over the past couple of days, and wondering what all the fuss is about in dealing with those youths rioting in southern Iraq. Am I going barmy? There was a riot a couple of years ago with youths throwing rocks and things at armed soldiers. The soldiers reacted by managing to catch a few of the miscreants, and gave them a bit of a kicking. Now, what I want to know is this - why raise this again after two years? There is obviously a lack of news items at the moment, and our dear press are never wont to let the truth get in the way of a good story. I cannot condone what went on, and indeed would have preferred the over-enthusiastic squaddies to have been dealt with by army justice at the time - but this did not happen. But, no one seems to comment on the fact that if this had happened 8 years ago with youths throwing rocks at the Iraqi army, then said miscreants would have disappeared into a large hole in the desert. Also, there is the obvious fact that one simply cannot throw rocks at soldiers and hope that the said soldiers will do nothing apart from say "Go away you naughty boys!". Sorry to blow off on this one, but that cretin of a news editor that allowed this to be published two years after the event must be suspected of ulterior motives. If said youths had been shot, pistol whipped or even worse I can understand it. It is about 8 months since the photo's of prisoners being abused was published, and quite rightly is was universally condemned. No doubt the army has done things to prevent such things happening again - so why rake this lot up after two years? Sorry for spouting off. I am old, and probably barmy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Donno what all the fuss is about, normal Friday Night up ours, if they aren't there they cannot be to blame. You just think what them soldiers are thinking when one of there mates get blown up, & killed off a road side bomb. Personally, I couldn't keep my hands off them. :thumbs: Bazooka Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 1st battalion light infantry...fire mortars,throw bricks at them...get caught...deserve a kicking...end of i would be interested to know peoples opinions on this the people who have been on the receiving end of bricks and petrol bombs...and those who have not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Pudding Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 I'm with Mikky on this one . You come round my gaff and carry on like that , i'm going to come out and kick you up in the air . Exactly the same way our soldiers delt with the Iraqi (hoodies) outside there gaff ! It's not a court they should be faceing , but a medal ! all the best yis yp :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 It's not a court they should be faceing , but a medal ! yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 most other countries would open fire :thumbs: perhaps thats what we should do from now on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 at the end of the day..if you can't take it...don't dish it out...get back on your camel and **** off back into the desert. ps..i m not racist...i hate everyone equally :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 my input on this is we only glimpsed a snippet of what had gone on, hoardes of youths throwing bricks (painfull possibly leathal) even with body armour, looked to me as if a group perhaps ringleaders were identified and targeted, given a roughing up and let go ,had our lads been less restrained as the yanks would have been and opened up on them then NOTHING would have been said. Bit that really bugs me is the hypocracy of the news of the screws is that they were keen to show freedom of press re this issue (and are obviously prepared to allow probable attacks on our lads as a result) yet they would not allow "free press" re the ******* cartoons cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 :thumbs: im sending a load of breifcase's over http://www.bofunk.com/video/2155/rd_world_bomb_squad.html Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 It's not a court they should be faceing , but a medal ! :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenbears10 Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 If the infantry got hold of some protesters and didn't give them a kicking the protests would get worse. The locals (youths especially) need to have a healthy fear of the Brits. I think the best thing the army can do is take all the video cameras away from squadies who are then going to sell the pics to the news of the world. This is nothing like the pictures of the yanks in the prison, they were humiliating people for fun. Our boys were teaching a lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 I have to ask the question WHY VIDEO IT? If you are going to "pull a moody" then for the love of Christ don't incriminate yourself, your regiment and your country. Oh and why did it take 2 years for it to "come to light"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 The news today were showing that they had been under mortar attack just prior to the "incident". Snakebite - It could easily be that it has been copied and copied and someone has got a strop on or was well paid for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenbears10 Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 I'm with Snakebite on this. I've never understood why you would take pictures of you and your mates 'having some fun' it's only going to come back and bite you later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenbears10 Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 (edited) another thing...The more i watch the news the more i start to hate muslims in general. Switched the TV on erlier and there was some 20 year old-ish muslims being asked things in the streets and complaining about people not liking them and one even said ''why cant we carry AK47s to protect ourselves'' *** !!! And... another said ''people dont like us just because were ####'' no, its because you agree with killing 'non believers'... they make me angry Steady George a few stupid comments by some young lads aren't enough to tarnish a whole group of people. I bet I could get some Chavs saying some stuppid things but that doesn't mean we are all like them does it? The TV never show decent honest muslims because it isn't good TV but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Edited February 14, 2006 by tenbears10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Steady George a few stupid comments by some young lads aren't enough to tarnish a whole group of people. I bet I could get some Chavs saying some stuppid things but that doesn't mean we are all like them does it? The TV never show decent honest muslims because it isn't good TV but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Agreed. Let's save our anger for those that deserve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 The thing is we are dealing with fundaMENTALISTS here. Where as a good slapping might deter us, to them it is just a minor irritation that gets in the way of their 70 virgins or whatever it is they get when they get killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenbears10 Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 ok im sorry am i forgiven lol Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 ok im sorry am i forgiven lol No need to apolagise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 1st battalion light infantry...fire mortars,throw bricks at them...get caught...deserve a kicking...end of i would be interested to know peoples opinions on this the people who have been on the receiving end of bricks and petrol bombs...and those who have not. You asked, I'll start the answer off. it's terrifying the first time it happens to you. You think you know what to expect but when the first petrol bomb bursts on your riot shield you want to run away. It's the training that takes over and makes you stay put. And it doesn't get better with experience. You just handle it better. I've been bricked, shot at, motared, RPG7'd and knocked through a restaurant window from a bomb blast over 100 yards away. (In Ireland, not Iraq) There's nothing more frightening than walking into an empty street that you know is normally full of people. You know what's going to happen but you still go. It's not nice. Soooooooo. When you get hold of some of those responsible for just trying to kill you and some that may have already killed your colleagues, isn't it natural to want to do something about it?? This is a war zone with an enemy that couldn't give a tinkers chuff about the Geneva convention or human rights. On saying that, they do have rights and are afforded them. As has already been said, what we see is a snippet. We don't have the full picture and that's how the media work. What hasn't been said is that there's a knock on effect. Now our soldiers will be watching their backs from their own countrymen. They will be hesitating to react in case something goes wrong and someone sees and records it. Someone is going to get killed as a result and the media will be to blame. The government should take action against the media and make sure this never happens again. This sensationalist journalism could result in carnage on a huge scale. We're not dealing with a rational enemy. How do you fight an enemy that want to die?? This episode will make many of them even keener to go down taking as many as possible with them. Someone should be taken to task over this (and not any of the troops over there however unjust and illegal the war may be). Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted February 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Thanks for all of your replies guys, and I am so pleased to realise that I am not one of the loony right after all. You see, when you sit in your armchair watching the telly and you think "What's all this then - surely it's obvious to all and sundry what's going on". Then you get a stream of mindless pap from all the lefties and commentators who simply want to talk it up to provoke a reaction. It's nice to know that you are not on your own. The reply from DaveK was brilliant, which asks the question "Why don't the reporters ask questions of ex service personnel who have been there, and know what it's all about? Bit like the policewoman who was shot last night. The answer to a muttonhead like me seems to be obvious - anyone caught with a gun in pursuit of crime gets a mandatory 10 year sentence - replica gun or not. If the prisons are full - then the answer is simple - build bigger prisons. Three strikes and you're out, as happens in some US cities where the crime rate has fallen dramatically. Time to get off my soap box, but I have to say "Thanks again" for all of the replies. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Bravo Dave spoken truthfuly and well, power to you and the guys in the field . Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.17 hummer Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Thanks for all of your replies guys, and I am so pleased to realise that I am not one of the loony right after all. You see, when you sit in your armchair watching the telly and you think "What's all this then - surely it's obvious to all and sundry what's going on". Then you get a stream of mindless pap from all the lefties and commentators who simply want to talk it up to provoke a reaction. It's nice to know that you are not on your own. The reply from DaveK was brilliant, which asks the question "Why don't the reporters ask questions of ex service personnel who have been there, and know what it's all about? Bit like the policewoman who was shot last night. The answer to a muttonhead like me seems to be obvious - anyone caught with a gun in pursuit of crime gets a mandatory 10 year sentence - replica gun or not. If the prisons are full - then the answer is simple - build bigger prisons. Three strikes and you're out, as happens in some US cities where the crime rate has fallen dramatically. Time to get off my soap box, but I have to say "Thanks again" for all of the replies. Don no government that wants to win the next election will build a single new prison. if they do it would be tantamount to saying "yes our policy on law and order is wrong cos were jailing more criminals which equals , our policys arnt working" it really does make yopu yhink what the news of the worlds agenda is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 .17 hummer: "no government that wants to win the next election will build a single new prison. if they do it would be tantamount to saying "yes our policy on law and order is wrong cos were jailing more criminals which equals , our policys arnt working" What the english public really really really want is a government with the balls to act on the behalf of the indiginous (sp?) population rather than also try to appeal to the imported population, many of whome are here purporting to be "british" and voting for what "they" want. I'm not very good with words when I get angry - but I think the UK got hijacked years ago. And our weak kneed politicians let it happen in return for votes. I'm gonna shut it before I write something that might get this thread beheaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pelt man Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 I agree with what has been said. BUT remeber if we are there on the pretence of helping the Iraq's then we cant be seen to beat the very same people. A lot of Iraq's know that this all about oil and they dont want invaders trying to control it, hence the bricks stones fire bombs and others thrown at invaders. To continue the occupation of Iraq we can't have images like this, showing a dictatorship not a help force. The Pelt Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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