buchangun Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 This may not be a popular opinion - but I think ALL 'guns' should be licensed as a FAC including air rifles , I feel that guns are not toys and you should have good reason to own one - many adults ( not all I know) who shoot air guns do so because they could not get a FAC - surely they should not be allowed to own ANY gun? As far as storage of SG carts goes yes it would be a bit of a pain to have to lock them in a cabinet but in reality its probably not the best thing to have 3 'bricks' of carts in our garages anyway! The way we will clean up our sport is to get the guns out of the hand of the idiots like the ones who turn their .22 into a AK47 look a like and the neds with £20 air rifles and give some credibility back to the law abiding sporting gun owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buchangun Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 This may not be a popular opinion - but I think ALL 'guns' should be licensed as a FAC including air rifles , I feel that guns are not toys and you should have good reason to own one - many adults ( not all I know) who shoot air guns do so because they could not get a FAC - surely they should not be allowed to own ANY gun? As far as storage of SG carts goes yes it would be a bit of a pain to have to lock them in a cabinet but in reality its probably not the best thing to have 3 'bricks' of carts in our garages anyway! The way we will clean up our sport is to get the guns out of the hand of the idiots like the ones who turn their .22 into a AK47 look a like and the neds with £20 air rifles and give some credibility back to the law abiding sporting gun owner. Sorry that was a bit of a rant!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Well I agree with one part of your post, the first sentence! Ha ha! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 This may not be a popular opinion - but I think ALL 'guns' should be licensed as a FAC including air rifles , I feel that guns are not toys and you should have good reason to own one - many adults ( not all I know) who shoot air guns do so because they could not get a FAC - surely they should not be allowed to own ANY gun? As far as storage of SG carts goes yes it would be a bit of a pain to have to lock them in a cabinet but in reality its probably not the best thing to have 3 'bricks' of carts in our garages anyway! The way we will clean up our sport is to get the guns out of the hand of the idiots like the ones who turn their .22 into a AK47 look a like and the neds with £20 air rifles and give some credibility back to the law abiding sporting gun owner. So you don't like the GSG guns then. Maybe we should restrict all cars to 40mph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 This may not be a popular opinion - but I think ALL 'guns' should be licensed as a FAC including air rifles , I feel that guns are not toys and you should have good reason to own one - many adults ( not all I know) who shoot air guns do so because they could not get a FAC - surely they should not be allowed to own ANY gun? As far as storage of SG carts goes yes it would be a bit of a pain to have to lock them in a cabinet but in reality its probably not the best thing to have 3 'bricks' of carts in our garages anyway! The way we will clean up our sport is to get the guns out of the hand of the idiots like the ones who turn their .22 into a AK47 look a like and the neds with £20 air rifles and give some credibility back to the law abiding sporting gun owner. What a load of tosh. many adults ( not all I know) who shoot air guns do so because they could not get a FAC Got any proof of this, "many"? The way we will clean up our sport is to get the guns out of the hand of the idiots like the ones who turn their .22 into a AK47 look a like OK, so the whole "tacti-cool" thing doesn't do anything for me but I don't think that means people shouldn't be able to if they choose. The proposal to lock up shotgun cartridges smacks to me of the "knee-jerk" legislation that Cameron said he wanted to avoid. How would this have prevented Bird going on the rampage in Cumbria. It wouldn't and therefore does nothing to achieve the purpose of the firearms review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 i think buchangun has some good points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymaster Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 MP's should not be allowed to make laws without being under the supervision of responsible adults. Boy racer plods caused more deaths last year (42) then any crazed maniac who happened to pick a firearm as his instrument of death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 This may not be a popular opinion - but I think ALL 'guns' should be licensed as a FAC including air rifles , I feel that guns are not toys and you should have good reason to own one - many adults ( not all I know) who shoot air guns do so because they could not get a FAC - surely they should not be allowed to own ANY gun? As far as storage of SG carts goes yes it would be a bit of a pain to have to lock them in a cabinet but in reality its probably not the best thing to have 3 'bricks' of carts in our garages anyway! The way we will clean up our sport is to get the guns out of the hand of the idiots like the ones who turn their .22 into a AK47 look a like and the neds with £20 air rifles and give some credibility back to the law abiding sporting gun owner. This line of thinking will only lead to cap guns for kids and tin can alley,and slingshots etc being banned,we must draw the line somewhere,buying an air rifle without a licence is the first step for many shooters,they must be sold responsibly nowadays,to people of a certain age,so already ownership of even an air rifle excerpts a certain responsibility...............the individual must have the right to choose,this fundamentally is what separates us from a dictatorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 This may not be a popular opinion - but I think ALL 'guns' should be licensed as a FAC including air rifles , I feel that guns are not toys and you should have good reason to own one - many adults ( not all I know) who shoot air guns do so because they could not get a FAC - surely they should not be allowed to own ANY gun? As far as storage of SG carts goes yes it would be a bit of a pain to have to lock them in a cabinet but in reality its probably not the best thing to have 3 'bricks' of carts in our garages anyway! The way we will clean up our sport is to get the guns out of the hand of the idiots like the ones who turn their .22 into a AK47 look a like and the neds with £20 air rifles and give some credibility back to the law abiding sporting gun owner. why dont you go and sit on the goverment bench with them, they would love to have you there why should you have good reason to own a shotgun.your makeing it to easy for them.its our right to own guns, or it was. to many go gooders out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 What a load of tosh. Got any proof of this, "many"? OK, so the whole "tacti-cool" thing doesn't do anything for me but I don't think that means people shouldn't be able to if they choose. The proposal to lock up shotgun cartridges smacks to me of the "knee-jerk" legislation that Cameron said he wanted to avoid. How would this have prevented Bird going on the rampage in Cumbria. It wouldn't and therefore does nothing to achieve the purpose of the firearms review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I lock mine in an old ex army ammo box bolted to the garage floor. Whilst Buchandog has given some interesting views, i do agree that the "Paramilitary" look in both guns and equipment does not help the cause. I agree we should all have a rightt to dress and shoot how and what we want but if it evenually assists in more legislation and eventual banning of firearms none of us will be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 This may not be a popular opinion - but I think ALL 'guns' should be licensed as a FAC including air rifles , I feel that guns are not toys and you should have good reason to own one - many adults ( not all I know) who shoot air guns do so because they could not get a FAC - surely they should not be allowed to own ANY gun? As far as storage of SG carts goes yes it would be a bit of a pain to have to lock them in a cabinet but in reality its probably not the best thing to have 3 'bricks' of carts in our garages anyway! The way we will clean up our sport is to get the guns out of the hand of the idiots like the ones who turn their .22 into a AK47 look a like and the neds with £20 air rifles and give some credibility back to the law abiding sporting gun owner. Whilst you're perfectly entitled to your opinion,can you give me one example from your above post that would have prevented D.Bird from doing what he did?After all,aren't we facing all these (proposed)restrictions as a direct result of D.Birds actions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triscrx Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Buchangun I don't want to single out your posts but do you honestly believe if all 'guns' were licensed it would be in anyway helpful to the licensing process or prevent another Derek Bird situation?! Lets not forget Derek Bird had a shotgun license so it was not an unlicensed weapon. Perhaps he did have a good reason to own one. If licensing was introduced for air rifles and the like the initial cost and time delay involved to own a 12ft Lb rifle would cost more than the rifle itself in some cases and the delay I expect would be 12 Months+! Is that a good way to promote our hobbie / Sport? Whilst I agree to some extent that the AK47 lookalikes etc are not helping our situation when members of the public see someone out shooting with one but there will always be 'lookalikes' cap guns / waterpistols / Airsoft where do you draw the line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Buchangun I don't want to single out your posts but do you honestly believe if all 'guns' were licensed it would be in anyway helpful to the licensing process or prevent another Derek Bird situation?! Lets not forget Derek Bird had a shotgun license so it was not an unlicensed weapon. Perhaps he did have a good reason to own one. If licensing was introduced for air rifles and the like the initial cost and time delay involved to own a 12ft Lb rifle would cost more than the rifle itself in some cases and the delay I expect would be 12 Months+! Is that a good way to promote our hobbie / Sport? Whilst I agree to some extent that the AK47 lookalikes etc are not helping our situation when members of the public see someone out shooting with one but there will always be 'lookalikes' cap guns / waterpistols / Airsoft where do you draw the line? I think people with opinions like Buchangun's should be banned from owning guns entirely. We don't need people on the inside legislating our hobbies away thankyou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I know what people are saying about the public perception of certain firearms, however, anyone that knows the first thing about firearms knows that, for example, the GSG AK is no more dangerous than say, a Ruger 10/22. Lets not forget that clueless witness in Cumbria that stated that Birds rifle "looked like a James Bond sniper rifle, so big he could hardly carry it" and that was your bog standard hunting .22 We should be educating the public, become more visible to them in every form and not allowing their ignorance to damage our sport, however you chose to pursue it. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 This may not be a popular opinion - but I think ALL 'guns' should be licensed as a FAC including air rifles , I feel that guns are not toys and you should have good reason to own one - many adults ( not all I know) who shoot air guns do so because they could not get a FAC - surely they should not be allowed to own ANY gun? As far as storage of SG carts goes yes it would be a bit of a pain to have to lock them in a cabinet but in reality its probably not the best thing to have 3 'bricks' of carts in our garages anyway! The way we will clean up our sport is to get the guns out of the hand of the idiots like the ones who turn their .22 into a AK47 look a like and the neds with £20 air rifles and give some credibility back to the law abiding sporting gun owner. What about people who actually have AK's,AR15's etc for on the range-should they be told to get rid of their guns and where would you end it? Just remember that after each shooting incident the goverment have made severe knee jerk either banning or restricting self loading,pump action rifles,high capacity shotguns and pistols. In times like this there should be solidarity among shooters not divisions no matter what their discipline is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 In times like this there should be solidarity among shooters not divisions no matter what their discipline is. I agree despite what you personally feel about another's choice of sport be it game shooting, vermin, paper punching or a practical discipline you should know well enough that as long as they are responsible and acting within the law they should be supported by all other shooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I agree despite what you personally feel about another's choice of sport be it game shooting, vermin, paper punching or a practical discipline you should know well enough that as long as they are responsible and acting within the law they should be supported by all other shooters. well said,too much snobery and not enough understanding of others diciplines within shooting. just what the antis want is all branches of any sport which fires a gun to be fighting amoungst themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 What about people who actually have AK's,AR15's etc for on the range-should they be told to get rid of their guns and where would you end it? No-one needs that kind of gun for anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 No-one needs that kind of gun for anything That was the type of reply when pistols were banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 That was the type of reply when pistols were banned But they weren't. I have one. You just need a good reason. Making holes in cardboard isn't one. I have a hole punch you can borrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Good for you. I only shot at paper that was satisfying enough for me. Shooters will never stick together, they can ban the lot and what can you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) No-one needs that kind of gun for anything With 'shooters' like you, who needs anti's? Perhaps you could be so good as to explain the difference, other than meaningless cosmetics, between a .223 Remington 700 (presumably a rifle you're good enough to approve of), and a straight pull AR-15? (Rhetorical question) Crack on though mate, you're doing a great job for the gun-grabbers, BTW, is the pay at GCN any good? Mark Edited January 13, 2011 by Breastman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 Anyone spare a little bit of time? Here is a potted history of Gun Prohibition in the U.K. http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/histn/histn043.htm It's very informative on how to disarm the populace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 13, 2011 Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 No-one needs that kind of gun for anything i know a bloke on the West coast who uses an AR15 in .223 for foxes.Very effective and totally legal,and no more of a danger to public safety than any other type of rifle.Of course if you want to ban something because of its appearance.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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