the running man Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Fellow forum members,I'm sure we all remember this post,after a natter with a mate who helps run a deer stalking specific forum,I found out about the banning of a member for a similarly controversial post,he was banished from that site,as is from this site,after talking I realised that while a one off shot at 704 yards may hit the hare,what I never thought of was what to do with it after,which would imply killing a rare animal for nothing more than blood lust,and a suitable inanimate object as a long range target would serve better. so I withdraw any support for that posting,and apologise to anyone I disagreed with on that thread,mugler in particular........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) Fellow forum members,I'm sure we all remember this post,after a natter with a mate who helps run a deer stalking specific forum,I found out about the banning of a member for a similarly controversial post,he was banished from that site,as is from this site,after talking I realised that while a one off shot at 704 yards may hit the hare,what I never thought of was what to do with it after,which would imply killing a rare animal for nothing more than blood lust,and a suitable inanimate object as a long range target would serve better. so I withdraw any support for that posting,and apologise to anyone I disagreed with on that thread,mugler in particular........ thats news to me, i fail to see how a hare is a rare animal just a week ago an estate shot over 300 in a day down the road and after a wander around yesterday i could of easily shot another 10 please could you explain or have i got the wrong end of the stick and your talking about another animal Edited February 21, 2011 by TJ91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 There has been some debate whether he was just trolling, the whole idea being to cause disaggrements, on SD he posted about a long range moving muntjac he despatched whilst LR 'vermin' shooting in the late evening. But the accompanying photo was of him with an ungralloched beast in full daylight, it did not really add up so is another little piece of evidence that it was the work of a wind up merchant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 thats news to me, i fail to see how a hare is a rare animal just a week ago an estate shot over 300 in a day down the road and after a wander around yesterday i could of easily shot another 10 please could you explain or have i got the wrong end of the stick and your talking about another animal they are rare round these parts friend,it was not the rarity of the quarry but the respect for it,whilst theoretically achievable was the shot,there would not be much left of it,hence it would be killed for blood lust,which was something I failed to consider. Scallopax has also answered well in his post above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 thats news to me, i fail to see how a hare is a rare animal just a week ago an estate shot over 300 in a day down the road and after a wander around yesterday i could of easily shot another 10 please could you explain or have i got the wrong end of the stick and your talking about another animal they are rare round these parts friend,it was not the rarity of the quarry but the respect for it,whilst theoretically achievable was the shot,there would not be much left of it,hence it would be killed for blood lust,which was something I failed to consider. Scallopax has also answered well in his post above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkPoacher Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 They do state that brown hares are somewhat rare on a national scale, but on a regional level they do thrive in large numbers. The gentleman above spoke of 300 being shot on one occasion and this is quite common in my region (Norfolk) due to having a large population to sustain mass culling. I'm quite fond of hares so only take odd ones here and there but if they need to be controlled in areas then so be it. Back to the op 704 is B*****ks it must have been a pure leg pull!! Arb dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 whilst theoretically achievable was the shot,there would not be much left of it,hence it would be killed for blood lust, If I remember right he said it was lung shot ? Being interested in what the Vmax would do at that range I requested pictures, obviously none were posted, even though he said it was hanging up outside ? I'm amazed that our American Friends over the water having sussed him yet on LRH.....matter of time I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 The Stalking Directory (the admin chap CSL) called it right. It's not so much the BS long shots that were being claimed, but the fact that the various scenarious involved something living e.g. a hare and a muntjac. The "stalking" boys were of the view that the quarry should be errrr be "stalked" to a point where the shot is easier and more likely to be humane in how it hits home i.e. closer. I make them right. It still remains that a hare at 704 yards with a heart and lung shot using a .243 with unworked homeloads, at such range, in a cross wind, at differing heights and from "cold" (no setting up or practice - just straight off the bonnet of the motor first shot) is pure BS. Anyone who watched the marine sniper thing on Sky last week will understand that the highly trained marine snipers with they swanky kit would struggle to pull that shot off "cold". And before all the long range boys dive in, I am talking about making that shot successfully "cold" i.e. 1 shot only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I think that I would struggle to pull off a shot like that even with my HMR. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Agree with Mungler - after watching the Marine snipers, alot of what is quoted is balls. Those guys were struggling, and look at the size of the targets they were shooting at - We must have some top talent around the forums with claims made, that programme put things into perspective for Me! That Sam fella is barely worth talking about - complete BS'er Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 are you sure he was using a GUN and NOT A TANK ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) The Stalking Directory (the admin chap CSL) called it right. It's not so much the BS long shots that were being claimed, but the fact that the various scenarious involved something living e.g. a hare and a muntjac. The "stalking" boys were of the view that the quarry should be errrr be "stalked" to a point where the shot is easier and more likely to be humane in how it hits home i.e. closer. I make them right. It still remains that a hare at 704 yards with a heart and lung shot using a .243 with unworked homeloads, at such range, in a cross wind, at differing heights and from "cold" (no setting up or practice - just straight off the bonnet of the motor first shot) is pure BS. Anyone who watched the marine sniper thing on Sky last week will understand that the highly trained marine snipers with they swanky kit would struggle to pull that shot off "cold". And before all the long range boys dive in, I am talking about making that shot successfully "cold" i.e. 1 shot only. I'll let you know Mung ..... Bank Holiday Monday, Diggle Ranges.... 1 egg, 1 shot, 1,000 yards, £1,000 You up for it Andrew Edited February 21, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I think that I would struggle to pull off a shot like that even with my HMR. :o I know very little about RF ballistics so for give me, I mean no insult but would a .17 HMR have the reach to aim at something over 700 yds down range? I realise it will travel much further than that if the barrel was raised to the optimal angle and the gun fired but what would the drop be at 700 yds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Will that be 'A 1 Grand Easter Egg Challenge' .. or will A hopping mad March Hare (distance unknown but far) get in on the act? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I know very little about RF ballistics so for give me, I mean no insult but would a .17 HMR have the reach to aim at something over 700 yds down range? I realise it will travel much further than that if the barrel was raised to the optimal angle and the gun fired but what would the drop be at 700 yds? Ozzy was taking the P***. Its a common joke that the mighty hmr will out shoot anything and shoot flat to infinity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Ozzy was taking the P***. Its a common joke that the mighty hmr will out shoot anything and shoot flat to infinity. I cant believe anybody would joke about something so serious. There are few things more terrifying than missing with a HMR. You have to be very quick and step to one side so that you dont get shot in the back of the head by the bullet after it has followed the curvature of the earth all the way back round. Some people shouldnt have guns IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Will that be 'A 1 Grand Easter Egg Challenge' .. or will A hopping mad March Hare (distance unknown but far) get in on the act? Don't know about the March Hare but if I put a rabbit on my bald head... from a distance it looks like hare http://www.precisionrifle.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Ozzy was taking the P***. Its a common joke that the mighty hmr will out shoot anything and shoot flat to infinity. i have to disagree with you. :yp: i thought the HMR shoots flat to infinity and beyond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 i have to disagree with you. :yp: i thought the HMR shoots flat to infinity and beyond Forgot that bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Fellow forum members,I'm sure we all remember this post,after a natter with a mate who helps run a deer stalking specific forum,I found out about the banning of a member for a similarly controversial post,he was banished from that site,as is from this site,after talking I realised that while a one off shot at 704 yards may hit the hare,what I never thought of was what to do with it after,which would imply killing a rare animal for nothing more than blood lust,and a suitable inanimate object as a long range target would serve better. so I withdraw any support for that posting,and apologise to anyone I disagreed with on that thread,mugler in particular........ Never mind the ins and outs of the topic under discussion, what I'm having trouble with is that RM felt the need to do so and made what is a particularly gracious apology and nobody until now has picked up on that fact. Please, mate, I am not being patronising - far from it - when I say, well spoken and the ability to express such a sentiment does you credit. Nice one! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 He knows we don't bear any grudges round here. RM, no apology necessary squire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'll let you know Mung ..... Bank Holiday Monday, Diggle Ranges.... 1 egg, 1 shot, 1,000 yards, £1,000 You up for it Andrew I'd go £50 or £100 to charity on that. I would go the £1k but I might feel bad taking your money. Obviously, to replicate the hare claim, it would have to be a distance randomly selected on the day between 700 and 1000 yards (to stop anyone setting up for the shot the day before), and it would be 1 shot from cold, and 1 shot only. No setting up, no practice, nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'd go £50 or £100 to charity on that. I would go the £1k but I might feel bad taking your money. Obviously, to replicate the hare claim, it would have to be a distance randomly selected on the day between 700 and 1000 yards (to stop anyone setting up for the shot the day before), and it would be 1 shot from cold, and 1 shot only. No setting up, no practice, nothing. Easy ,for the one gun .308 stalker . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 i have to disagree with you. :yp: i thought the HMR shoots flat to infinity and beyond I heard that Ronnie Reagan based his whole star wars project on the ability of laser guided HMR's to down incoming ICBM's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 wow 704 yds,not a bad shot that,furthest ive had a hare is about 90 yds with an airgun :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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