tony martin documentary

[digger]

just watched the hour long reconstruction of this infamous case.what a piece of vermin fearon is,real shame he didnt die too.little maggot could barely talk coherent english and had the gall to say he didnt mention the kid who got his just deserts as he didnt want to be a low life !

he is a complete ladies front bottom

[Kenzie]

What a terrible shame Tony martin wasn't a better shot in the dark.

Wuold have been a nice double.

[miffy]

What a terrible shame Tony martin wasn't a better shot in the dark.

Wuold have been a nice double.

:o

[Lord Geordie]

Burglars like this should expect householders to stand up and protect what is theres.

 

Tony Martin simply chose a wrong way. A shot in the Air would have sufficed to scare the inturders off BUT having said that i have NO pity for the intruders they know the risks and still carry on with the burglarys :<

 

LG

[digger]

would it be like the shooting times woodcock club ? get a left and right and you get a tie pin in the shape of a gold earing ? need a big dog to pick them up mind.

laughing at them being shot ? apml

[mossy835]

theres a town in the usa called virgin its a town that you must own a gun,they leave there keys in there trucks and cars, if seen tacken a truck or car they can get shot at no crime there,

[Guest john5]

Burglars like this should expect householders to stand up and protect what is theres.

 

Tony Martin simply chose a wrong way. A shot in the Air would have sufficed to scare the inturders off BUT having said that i have NO pity for the intruders they know the risks and still carry on with the burglarys :<

 

LG

excuse me mate , i am a little more informed than most,,,,,,,,,those theiving gipsy ******** that that took it upon them selves to burgle a helpless man for THE THIRD TIME , thats the same pieces of ****e,,, 3 times in a row ,, traveld 160 miles to do it ,,,,,,,GOT WHAT THEY DESEREVRD, , i can see only one problem ,,, well two ,,,,, first ,, tonY martin should have been given a medal , secondly ,,,,,,,, HE LEFT ONE OF THE ******** ALIVE , to offer a contradicting story

[Lord Geordie]

I aint saying that they should have been shown pity

 

I said they got what they deserved

 

I just think IMO a shot in the air would have scared em off.

 

He never took a shot at THEM before that was someone trying to kill his dogs.

 

I have NO sympathy for the lads who were shot.

 

LG

[digger]

fair comment john,his crime was leaving one alive.is it legal to shoot them on a sunday and if near open water (say a bath) does it have to be bismuth ?

on the humanitarian side tm really should have followed both animals and finished them off.had he done this and buried them like one does crows/foxes end of story.

if the thought police are reading this you are mistaking me for someone who gives a ****

[andrewluke]

Did anyone catch the bit when the barrister and the ex police firearms officer stated that Pump action shotguns have been a banned firearm since Hungerford.

[sutty]

Tony Martin,

Should not have been given a prison sentence for protecting his own property.

What he should have been given is a MEDAL and a SEMI AUTO to do the job

properly. (pref FAC)

Anyone who breaks into someones house etc must be under no illusion as to the concequences.IMHO. :<

These people are scum and non of the do gooder, social worker types, will persuade me otherwise.

 

(Steps of soap box ,gets coat.)

 

RegardsSutty :<

[Bazooka Joe]

The only thing Tony Martin done wrong.................was miss the second piece of ****.

 

No doubt, if he got him, we wouldn't be typing away here........

 

They would have being spaded in somewhere in Norfolk, never to see the light of day again.

 

Bazooka Joe.

Edited March 17, 2006 by Bazooka Joe

[Browning GTS]

I aint saying that they should have been shown pity

 

I said they got what they deserved

 

I just think IMO a shot in the air would have scared em off.

 

He never took a shot at THEM before that was someone trying to kill his dogs.

 

I have NO sympathy for the lads who were shot.

 

LG

A shot in the hair would have done the job for all of them.

[Browning]

Gentlemen, gentlemen please remember this is an open forum!

 

Comments like this have their place, but in my opinion an open forum, which can be viewed by ANYONE (shooters, antis, law, government etc) is not the place.

 

In my opinion, as honest law abiding firearms owners, we should not condone the shooting

of another human being, no matter how much they deserve it.

 

I have every sympathy for Tony Martin, and much disgust for the scum that burgled him. But unfortunately this case will, in the eyes of the anti gun brigade,

simply be seen as another gun crime which caused the death or injury of a human being.

 

Just as importantly, comments seen on shooting forums can, and probably will, be taken note of during future debates.

[MC]

A shot in the air would have meant repairing his house, that theiving scum got what they deserved.

 

It is your right to defend your family and property as you see fit. Tony Martin's only mistake was missing the other piece of ****.

 

There is too many tree huggers and do gooders around who defend scum like that. How can any self respecting lawyer even try to defend someone like Fearon, and what is the high court thinking of allowing him top claim damages.

 

I wouldn't hesitate if I was in the same position. Although they would probably be gone with my telly by the time I had found my safe keys, unlocked my gun and gone in the garage to get some cartridges.

 

Cheers

 

MC

[mossy835]

its a pity he could have had a left and right,instead of a jail sentance he should have had a medal.to many old farts in goverment.

[Whitebridges]

.......They would have being spaded in somewhere in Norfolk, never to see the light of day again.

 

Bazooka Joe.

We don't bother intalling burgular alarms anymore instead all new houses here come with a free 7x4 (fits any size) trench discreetly tucked away in the back garden and a free mossberg pump.

If you complete within 1 month from the date of purchase a stainless steel spade is also thrown in as a "fill in".

[old rooster]

So a fair spread of opinion then, or am I reading this wrongly

 

Major areas of disagreement seem to hinge around how the carcasses of vermin should be disposed of and the level of award given to anyone achieving a "left and right"

 

If somebody comes on to your property you have a right to defend yourself, particularly as we all know only too well from recent cases that anyone attacking or killing US will get a pitifully short sentence which in no way deters scum like this.

 

I'm afraid that certain antisocial sub cultures like ****** and travellers have earned themselves the right to be considered as genuine, acceptable minority groups. The police (at high level) now have an excuse for not dealing with them on the grounds that it would be persecution of a minority group. The generally law abiding majority have to sit like ducks at a shooting gallery and take all the **** that individuals from these groups throw at us.

 

I hate to think where it is all going to stop and be sorted because at some point sorted it must be as we are sliding very rapidly into becoming a country where anarchy rules.

 

If you are reading this politicians take note, the writing is on the wall writ large for all sensible Englishmen to see !!!!!

Edited March 17, 2006 by old rooster

[Nildes]

I don't believe it was right for him to kill that boy.

I don't believe it was right for him to do time for it either.

Two wrongs don't make a right in either direction.

 

I think he was failed by the Police force that should've been protecting him and by the Court system that should've delivered Justice.

 

We shouldn't, any of us, have to live in fear.

We have a right to expect protection and crime prevention from the officers of the law.

We have a right to expect Justice from the Judiciary.

He ended up carrying the can for failed detection and prevention because he was provoked beyond reason by fear and frustration.

He didn't go out looking for aggro, he met it at the bottom of the stairs in his own house in the middle of the night.

Which of us doesn't wake up in fear at an odd noise in the small hours?

 

Its time the Police stopped criminalizing soft targets like drivers and got out of their cars and back on the beat.

 

Rural communities are fragmenting because they've lost their local plod, their post office, their school, their pub, their shop and in many cases their vicar. All due to so-called economies but what price security?

 

Time was when any stranger wandering around would stick out like a dog's wotsits and people would meet their neighbours at one or another of these local social centres and talk about them.

Now the countryside is swamped with weekend townies who contribute little and whinge about the smell of pig muck and cockerel's calling.

 

Its not a situtation he created, its a situation succesive goverments have created. Death by a thousand cuts has rained down on rural England.

Tony Blair made a big thing out of "respect". Its a shame he doesn't give any to rural communities and just punishes them for being natural conservatives by taking away everything that unites them.

 

Tony Martin was victim first and possible murderer second. Tony Blair should take the blame, not him.

[craftycarper]

I have no sympathy for the scum slags that did that. Strange isn't it that if he had approached them without a gun he probably would have been knifed and ended up as another statistic on the unsolved crimes list for the force in question. These slags have far too many rights when it comes to you protecting your family,property and livelyhood and they bloody know it. When this government decide to stand up and take note of this and start dishing out the proper punishments and sentences that these scum deserve then maybe things will change but unfortunately i doubt this will ever happen. It seems that at the end of the day they have all the rights and WE are the minority. This country stinks, give me a lottery win and i will be out of this **** hole country......

[Whitebridges]

I don't believe it was right for him to kill that boy.

I don't believe it was right for him to do time for it either.

Two wrongs don't make a right in either direction.

 

I think he was failed by the Police force that should've been protecting him and by the Court system that should've delivered Justice.

 

We shouldn't, any of us, have to live in fear.

We have a right to expect protection and crime prevention from the officers of the law.

We have a right to expect Justice from the Judiciary.

He ended up carrying the can for failed detection and prevention because he was provoked beyond reason by fear and frustration.

He didn't go out looking for aggro, he met it at the bottom of the stairs in his own house in the middle of the night.

Which of us doesn't wake up in fear at an odd noise in the small hours?

 

Its time the Police stopped criminalizing soft targets like drivers and got out of their cars and back on the beat.

 

Rural communities are fragmenting because they've lost their local plod, their post office, their school, their pub, their shop and in many cases their vicar. All due to so-called economies but what price security?

 

Time was when any stranger wandering around would stick out like a dog's wotsits and people would meet their neighbours at one or another of these local social centres and talk about them.

Now the countryside is swamped with weekend townies who contribute little and whinge about the smell of pig muck and cockerel's calling.

 

Its not a situtation he created, its a situation succesive goverments have created. Death by a thousand cuts has rained down on rural England.

Tony Blair made a big thing out of "respect". Its a shame he doesn't give any to rural communities and just punishes them for being natural conservatives by taking away everything that unites them.

 

Tony Martin was victim first and possible murderer second. Tony Blair should take the blame, not him.

IMHO, sir you have an excellent understand of the issues and I congratulate you on a first class post.

Rural England is the heart of the country and yet all these political change mongers continually shaft us. They are self centred irresponsible bas%%ards. They have left a lot of people with no protection. I know a few Tony Martin types, small farmers working there ar%e off for not at lot and they, deep down are worried people when it comes to security. Bigger farms round here do not feel threatened because the keepers are on the ball and hard.What i've just said makes it sound as though the area I live in has a problem. It hasn't because of the threat (from the keepers) arguably a job that the police should be doing. But If you are on your own on an isolated farm somewhere? Protect yourself.

Tony Martin lived on his own, if he had had two young daughter upstairs do you honestly think he woulds have missed? An Englishman home is his castle. Any fe&ker entering mine without my consent intent on wrong doing would be no more.

 

 

Edited March 17, 2006 by Whitebridges

[al4x]

I didn't see the programme but from what I remember there were a few problems with him not going to prison.

The firearm wasn't legally held from what I remember, so obviously wasn't secured as per the terms of a license. The guys were running away from him at the time as well so he wasn't technically in danger. Don't get me wrong he should never have felt like he needed to take that action but he did live in a boarded up house that looked like it was empty and was effectively lying in wait for them with shotgun at the ready.

They were scum that broke in but for people that hold legal guns we should be re-assured that he wasn't allowed to just do it and get away with it as that kind of action in todays society does put our ability to have guns at risk.

[craftycarper]

fairs fair i didn't see the program but did read the paper coverage at the time, part of me agrees with some of what is said i mean if someone broke into my home and i was too take the same actions i must admit but the time i got the bloody cabinet open, gun loaded etc they would probably be off or i would have been knifed or beaten to death. As law abiding and respectable firearms holders we have to follow the legal requirements set out, or face bringing our sport into disrepute which is what all the antis etc are hoping for. Different i suppose if they broke in while i just happened to be cleaning my gun :o . But on a more serious note i do know that the actions taken were wrong albeit in the heat of the moment who knows what action you are likely to take. As i said earlier this country, it's law and justice system and the government stink. Paedo's running around being homed near schools, rapists and murderers given leniant sentences and rights (that's if they are sentenced at all) Lets face it if i had someone i wanted to kill all i need do is sit outside their house in my car, drink a bottle of scotch and run em down dead, what would they do..ban me for a short period maybe give me a bit of counselling, then get me license back a few years later. Or perhaps i could just change my religion become a muslim then i get a hole lotta rights and a prayer mat (an excuse to get a lot of breaks at work)

[al4x]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england...olk/3009769.stm

 

this gives a quick rundown of his attitude to firearms, and on that basis I believe he should have been sent down.

 

On the other hand they did get what they deserved but had that been kids breaking into what they thought was a deserted house just for a look round he would have shot them as well, if you look at the picture at the bottom of the article it gives an idea of what his house looked like. Had it been a legally held gun in a normal farmhouse where the burgulry had happened just after the owner got in from "rabbit shooting" and he'd fired in self defence that would have been fine but it didn't

Edited March 17, 2006 by al4x

[Nildes]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england...olk/3009769.stm

 

this gives a quick rundown of his attitude to firearms, and on that basis I believe he should have been sent down.

 

On the other hand they did get what they deserved but had that been kids breaking into what they thought was a deserted house just for a look round he would have shot them as well, if you look at the picture at the bottom of the article it gives an idea of what his house looked like. Had it been a legally held gun in a normal farmhouse where the burgulry had happened just after the owner got in from "rabbit shooting" and he'd fired in self defence that would have been fine but it didn't

Your article says it all and confirms my worst fears about the system:

 

Denied parole becuase "He continues to pose a threat to any other burglars"

 

All logic is turned on its head it seems. To protect the guilty, the innocent have to be locked up!

 

The sytem has failed him and continues to fail him. They cannot protect his house and property, they protect him by imprisoning him.

 

Even the Fagin like character who saw his young protege gunned down is trying to sue Martin for damages.

 

Its a parody, a mockery of everything justice stands for.

 

The basic problems remain unaddressed, the man lives in fear on his property and the police cannot guarantee his security. But, (fanfare of trumpets) they are prepared to give him a special number to ring.

 

Er that would'nt be 999 would it?