steve_b_wales Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I can get the above cartridges for £137 / 1000, but would these be suitable for crows /pigeons. I've used 'clay' cartridges for crows etc in the past, but for the past 4-5 years, have always used 'game' cartridges. These are far more expensive, and I'm looking to save on the costs. The main shooting will be crows / jackdaws. Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I'd stick with something heavier, it's a lot more humane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 What he said ^ proper respect for quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butchdickason Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I use them for pigeon, if they are in range and your on them they do the job just fine. Butch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Hmmm, Crows, tough old birds and like has been said still deserve respect to be killed humanely as does any quarry. Funny Katzenjammer and i were just having the same conversation on Saturday whilst out shooting Crows. We use Eley Super Game 32gr 6's and were thinking of maybe even trying 34gr 5s. 28gr 71/2s might be ok for short range Pigeons but tbh its a clay busting load at the end of the day and should be used for that imo. I would pay the extra and invest in a heavier "game" load if i were you . ATB Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaguar Warrior Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) I'm with Apache and Pat G. IMHO 6's are fine for short range shots especially decoy shooting at short range where the distance is fixed. 5's are better for instant kills and especially when 'mooching about' where it is less easy for the average shooter to judge distance (like me) I also centre on the neck for crows, especially with the .410 , to increase the chance of an instant head or neck shot. I shoot 15 yards or less for crows with the .410 and 25 yards or less for the 12ga - any more and I just shoo them off. Being smart birds, I do a lot of shooing. Helps me sleep at night.... I also point broom handles at them hoping they will get desensitised but i'm preeettty sure they know its not a gun. They mock me, i'm telling you JW Edited March 28, 2011 by Jaguar Warrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 7.5 on a crow? Maybe inside of 10 yards If you want a 7,5 load that may do for pigeons (certainly not crows) look out for the Kent Velocity cartridges - I dunno what the figures are on the cartridge but having shot a few and had all my teeth rattled out, I reckon it would be punchy enough. Seriously though, just get some 30-32g number 6 and do it properly. Saying that, I find that only 32g of No. 5 will work on a decent sized crow round here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Ive shot hundreds of crows with 7.5 28g carts,as long as there coming into decoys and within 30 yards they are fine its down to how competent a shot you are at the end of the day BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted March 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Ive shot hundreds of crows with 7.5 28g carts,as long as there coming into decoys and within 30 yards they are fine its down to how competent a shot you are at the end of the day BB Same here. I have shot many crows in the past with 7 1/2 shot size cartridges as well. Most of the crows that I would be shooting at, would be about 20 yards away. I will probably end up buying #6 shot ones, as 'competent' and 'shooting' are not words that come together when I'm out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 As long as they are close enough, why not. Ive used them many times on crows and had no issues. At that speed, the difference between the size aint going to matter a bit. If a grain of sand hit you at that speed its going to do you in. Get em used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 i use kent velocity on pigeons, crows, rabbits, squirrels and more. they are a bloody good cartridge for the price. i have shot 1000s of them over the last couple of years and had very good bags (with very few walking wounded) keep the ranges sensible (upto 35yds) and you cant go wrong (i have taken longer shots). i do just as well with these 7.5 28g as i did with clear piegon 30g 6 i paid £38/250 for the last lot i will no doubt get the 'you dont respect quarry' **** from some on here, i do respect my quarry, alot more than many i have shot with. these carts do the job and they do it well at a good price if i had no respect and only cared about saving pennys i could get cheaper carts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 I don't feel it is so much respect for your quarry, I feel that there is no reason to go pigeon shooting undergunned. There is a reason why cartridge manufacturers load 6's as a mainstay pigeon load. OK so 7.5's are fine for up to about 30 yards but what happens to a pigeon that skirts around the edge of your decoys? Do you not shoot it because you might injure it? What about the high ones? again do you leave them as you do not have the shot load to deal with them? I have been shooting loads of times when the pigeons haven't wanted to play ball and have been jittery and no ammount of changing the pattern etc will make any difference. 6's (or even 5's) will ensure a clean kill out to 40 yards plus. I don't really see that saving a few quid per 1000 is worth possibly losing or not being able to shoot at a few birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 an ounce of 5`s is much better than an ounce of 7.5s. i watched one of those dvds about woodpigeon shooting. some shots were just point blank range. he could have used a .410. 1/2oz it would have been better. why would you limit yourself to shots? c`mon seriously, do you want to shoot the birds dead or bring them down? i know what i`d load. 6s are loaded, because they are just about good enough. mediocre performance and price. (compared to a game load.) i dont understand why they dont have 1oz #6 loads for pigeons. as a dedicated pigeon load. i`d feel a numpty, if i ruined a perfectly great day, just by shooting the wrong cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmsy Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 well if someone wants to take me out pigeon shooting, i will gladly show them that 7.5 shot clay load will kill cleanly. i think the reason they sell these so called pigeon loads is because people will buy them thinking nothing else will do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby dazzler Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 i have been useing 7.5,s for a while now on pigeon and crows they are fine if close enough just bring your decoys a bit closer in then hopefully the birds will come in closer i get on with them that well i have just brought 6000 from just cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 I would ask a simple question to anyone using 7.5's for pigeon. If the landowner was paying for your cartridges, what would you ask him to buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Okay i will meet you halfway Bird coming into decoys first barrel 7.5 cart Bird missed and going away second barrel 6 cart thats the way i get rid of my 7.5 carts seem to drop the birds i shoot at Honest guv BB Oh must mention i love internet fishing always manage to hook something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby dazzler Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 I would ask a simple question to anyone using 7.5's for pigeon. If the landowner was paying for your cartridges, what would you ask him to buy? 7.5,s cus farmers are poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 7.5,s cus farmers are poor Ok, you win a competition and get 1000 FREE cartridges. You want to use them for pigeon shooting. What would be your cartridge of choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby dazzler Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 i would still have 7.5,s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 i would still have 7.5,s :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 well if someone wants to take me out pigeon shooting, i will gladly show them that 7.5 shot clay load will kill cleanly. i think the reason they sell these so called pigeon loads is because people will buy them thinking nothing else will do the job. other shells will do the job to many to mention, but i use the so called pigeon loads due to them being at a reasonable price and do the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) 7.5 is a clay load, I struggle to see any quarry, (unless they are sitting on the end of your barrel), they are suitable for, but, it's obvious here, others have different views, such is life! Eley First are (were) also a filthy cartridge, the **** that flies out of the barrel is unreal, it has never stopped me using them on the clays though, and some suggest they are clean now...something must have changed if they are! They always worked though, so I still give them a decent rating! In principle I don't use anything smaller than 6 on anything live, my view, simple as, others have their own opinion! Edited March 29, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 7.5 is a clay load, I struggle to see any quarry, (unless they are sitting on the end of your barrel), they are suitable for, but, it's obvious here, others have different views, such is life! Eley First are (were) also a filthy cartridge, the **** that flies out of the barrel is unreal, it has never stopped me using them on the clays though, and some suggest they are clean now...something must have changed if they are! They always worked though, so I still give them a decent rating! In princile I don't use anything smaller than 6 on anything live, my view, simple as, others have their own opinion! I'm worried - I find myself agreeing with you more and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_No Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 I can get the above cartridges for £137 / 1000, but would these be suitable for crows /pigeons. I've used 'clay' cartridges for crows etc in the past, but for the past 4-5 years, have always used 'game' cartridges. These are far more expensive, and I'm looking to save on the costs. The main shooting will be crows / jackdaws. Steve. Hi Steve, can't help you on the "load for pigeon" issue but have been looking for cheap clay carts, was wondering where you were getting this 1000 for £137, mates a trucker and does a few jobs in wales so might even work out if its a local gunshop and not off t'internet! Cheers Deano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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