jackieboi Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Have any of u lads (or ladies) tried this when out lampin for rabbits with the shotgun?? We ave a look each night we go out for pigeons now!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 it`s illegal to lamp pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 It's illegal to lamp any bird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 It's illegal to lamp any bird Ferrals are the exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbuster Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Some of these posts are just amazing!!! Unbe*******lievable! :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackieboi Posted April 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Oh dear that has put a stop on that then!! I wonder why nobody has told me this before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Oh dear that has put a stop on that then!! I wonder why nobody has told me this before Because i`m afraid to say shock horror that some shooters have no morals on shooting a sleeping bird and so forget to pass on good knowledge. The important thing is that you know now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Oh dear that has put a stop on that then!! I wonder why nobody has told me this before The point is that you should have known. It isn't anyone else's responsibility. I'd suggest that you read the General Licence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 A tough lesson learned, take it on the chin. Move on and help all you can in the future. I was lucky and was helped a lot by an older shooter who new what was what. Read up and get help where you can. We all **** up, if we can learn from it then its not a waste. atvb Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 I'm all in favour of testing prior to approving SGC's for hunting purposes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Im not sure about testing , but as long as he has learned from his mistakes . Forums like this are a good source of information . Its not a stupid question if you get the right answers Education is a good thing its just a shame that some people dont look for the answers before going out and doing something a bit daft . We were all beginners once now give the lad a break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackieboi Posted April 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Yea i have learnt!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 I have been shooting for decades and I didn't know it was illegal to lamp birds. I haven't done it, and can't think it would be very sucessful , but didn't know you couldn't. I can't see why you shouldn't lamp the blasted things either. They are a very expensive pest and if they were almost wiped out to extinction so much the better as far as I am concerned. (note the "almost", I don't mind there being the odd one or two) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) Because i`m afraid to say shock horror that some shooters have no morals on shooting a sleeping bird and so forget to pass on good knowledge. The important thing is that you know now. Judging from my experience if I inadvertently light up a tree when manourvering a lamp - or get too close to the treeline when walking, the clatter they make as they take off suggests they are not sleeping but fully awake and willing to spook the rabbits I'm after. <deleted section> Edited April 27, 2011 by nickbeardo edited idiotic suggestions of illegal activity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesneale89 Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 it is illegal to lamp any bird also it is illegal to lamp deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkPoacher Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 I know people who lamp woodies and I cant see the problem, they are a pest that causes millions of pounds worth of damage. Just because they are in a state of inactivity it doesn’t make them any less of a menace the next morning on the farmers valuable crop. Those who shoot pigeons purely for pleasure and attempt to justify the killing by mentioning crop protection are very different from those who actually shoot pigeons to save the livelihood of the farm, and are not concerned if they eradicate the pigeon population. Being enjoyable is simply a by-product. Pleasure shooters will complain about the morality of lamping woodies so that they can have a larger bag whilst shooting for sport. If Morals are an issue can killing any animal purely for enjoyment be classed as moral? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 I know people who lamp woodies and I cant see the problem, they are a pest that causes millions of pounds worth of damage. Just because they are in a state of inactivity it doesn’t make them any less of a menace the next morning on the farmers valuable crop. Those who shoot pigeons purely for pleasure and attempt to justify the killing by mentioning crop protection are very different from those who actually shoot pigeons to save the livelihood of the farm, and are not concerned if they eradicate the pigeon population. Being enjoyable is simply a by-product. Pleasure shooters will complain about the morality of lamping woodies so that they can have a larger bag whilst shooting for sport. If Morals are an issue can killing any animal purely for enjoyment be classed as moral? Are these people you know concerned that they are breaking the law? I'm a "pleasure shooter" and have no issues with the morality of what I do. Yes I enjoy it, but am also contributing in a small way to pest control on the farms where I shoot., I wouldn't be allowed there otherwise. I also eat what I shoot or give/sell any surplus as high quality natural food. No morality conumdrums there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 I know people who lamp woodies and I cant see the problem, they are a pest that causes millions of pounds worth of damage. Just because they are in a state of inactivity it doesn’t make them any less of a menace the next morning on the farmers valuable crop. Those who shoot pigeons purely for pleasure and attempt to justify the killing by mentioning crop protection are very different from those who actually shoot pigeons to save the livelihood of the farm, and are not concerned if they eradicate the pigeon population. Being enjoyable is simply a by-product. Pleasure shooters will complain about the morality of lamping woodies so that they can have a larger bag whilst shooting for sport. If Morals are an issue can killing any animal purely for enjoyment be classed as moral? I think you being rather melodramatic....you would have to shoot an inordinate amount of pigeons by lamp to safeguard the livelihood of a Farm. Morality doesnt come into this issue in my opinion. The simple fact is the General Licence sets out how and when we can shoot the bird species currently on the General list and thats a statutory regulation. If anyone wants to run the gauntlet and shoot wood pigeon by Lamplight and risk losing their SCC or FAC for life thats entirely up to them. Sadly its always the few that completely **** it up for the majority. Im with Blunderbus on this. Of course we derive pleasure in shooting live quarry, anyone who says otherwise is not telling the truth. All the pigeons I shoot are consumed and are only shot over crops which I have been invited to protect. No morality issues for me either. Why oh why dont more people taking out a SGC read the GL and understand it before application or venturing out into the feild. Sadly the regulations surrounding licensing are extremely lacking in respect of Basic feild craft or knowledge... " Hello MR. Dealer Ive managed to satisfy the stringent medical and phsycological criteria imposed by HM Government have no CR and had two excellent references to enable me to get this SGC...now can you recommend a good 12g for lamping pigeons and a decent .22 Air rifle for fox...If you have a couple of tonnes of spent wheat I can use to decoy them onto the church lawn with also that would be great...dont suppose you have any live owl decoys do you "? Jackie boy has learnt that Pigeons arent to be Lamped under current legislation lets leave it at that without trying to justifty something to a young shooter that is illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkPoacher Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) I think you being rather melodramatic....you would have to shoot an inordinate amount of pigeons by lamp to safeguard the livelihood of a Farm. Morality doesnt come into this issue in my opinion. The simple fact is the General Licence sets out how and when we can shoot the bird species currently on the General list and thats a statutory regulation. If anyone wants to run the gauntlet and shoot wood pigeon by Lamplight and risk losing their SCC or FAC for life thats entirely up to them. Sadly its always the few that completely **** it up for the majority. Im with Blunderbus on this. Of course we derive pleasure in shooting live quarry, anyone who says otherwise is not telling the truth. All the pigeons I shoot are consumed and are only shot over crops which I have been invited to protect. No morality issues for me either. Why oh why dont more people taking out a SGC read the GL and understand it before application or venturing out into the feild. Sadly the regulations surrounding licensing are extremely lacking in respect of Basic feild craft or knowledge... " Hello MR. Dealer Ive managed to satisfy the stringent medical and phsycological criteria imposed by HM Government have no CR and had two excellent references to enable me to get this SGC...now can you recommend a good 12g for lamping pigeons and a decent .22 Air rifle for fox...If you have a couple of tonnes of spent wheat I can use to decoy them onto the church lawn with also that would be great...dont suppose you have any live owl decoys do you "? Jackie boy has learnt that Pigeons arent to be Lamped under current legislation lets leave it at that without trying to justifty something to a young shooter that is illegal. Fair point. I am aware of the GL conditions i was just highlighing that i dont object to lamping all vermin for crop/ stock protection. Providing it is killed as humanely as possible. You may not get a large bag at night but you are contributing to the cause. however you are correct, and I appolgise if i was seen in anyway to encourage law breaking. If it was legal im sure people wouldnt have a problem with it, after all its not like all the laws we have are exactly apt for the individual circumstance they apply to. Edited April 27, 2011 by NorfolkPoacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linny Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) we have a local lad and his mates who have one field to shoot on with his air rifle hes now got a shot gun and has been lamping pigeons and pheasants on some of our permissions land as it boarders that one field they have. we have found breasted carcases on many occasions one of the farmers has spoke with the police about this but its catching them in the act as they just run back on to the land that they have permission to be on and deny the have crossed the boarder. we no its happening as we have been told by different people its a pain and a big no no his land owner just does not care how he got an sgc when the police are aware of him well what can i say Edited April 27, 2011 by linny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkPoacher Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 we have a local lad and his mates who have one field to shoot on with his air rifle hes now got a shot gun and has been lamping pigeons and pheasants on some of our permissions land as it boarders that one field they have. we have found breasted carcases on many occasions one of the farmers has spoke with the police about this but its catching them in the act as they just run back on to the land that they have permission to be on and deny the have crossed the boarder. we no its happening as we have been told by different people its a pain and a big no no his land owner just does not care how he got an sgc when the police are aware of he well what can i say those trail cameras can be usefull, we have used them for catching fly-tippers. Set one up on your boundary near an obvious landmark, tree large rock etc (for reference) on a well worn path used by the ****, if you catch a photo or video of him with his rifle/shotgun you should have a case for armed tresspass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 those trail cameras can be usefull, we have used them for catching fly-tippers. Set one up on your boundary near an obvious landmark, tree large rock etc (for reference) on a well worn path used by the ****, if you catch a photo or video of him with his rifle/shotgun you should have a case for armed tresspass. Thats a very good idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 From time to time these sorts of things get posted and it only strengthens my thoughts about wannabe hunters having to take a test before they ever get near a gun. I'm not advocating campaigning for any such moves as we (the shooting community) have enough problems in todays PC world (and I don't mean the place one buys their laptops! )but it beggars belief that so many have no idea about the legal aspects of gun ownership and very little idea about quarry ID. They can and do spoil it for the vast majority. On a related note; poaching/trespassing with a gun is a CRIMINAL offence punishable by (possible) prison sentences plus the confiscation of any guns and the revokation of any licences held. Why would any responsible/licenced person chance it? Many do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted April 27, 2011 Report Share Posted April 27, 2011 it is illegal to lamp any bird also it is illegal to lamp deer not so we have a licence to shoot at night and out of season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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