Catweazle Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 My lad would like to shoot shotgun after I move away to Wales, but he is in a very modern rented flat and the terms say he can't alter the building, including bolting a safe to the wall. Is there any way he can fit an approved safe, in a flat, without bolting it to the fabric of the building ? Just for one shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 My lad would like to shoot shotgun after I move away to Wales, but he is in a very modern rented flat and the terms say he can't alter the building, including bolting a safe to the wall. Is there any way he can fit an approved safe, in a flat, without bolting it to the fabric of the building ? Just for one shotgun. I doubt it, fixing to the fabric of the building is the intrinsic part of security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Just a thought that would mean bending the rules (out of sight, out of mind) has he got a built in wardrobe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted May 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Just a thought that would mean bending the rules (out of sight, out of mind) has he got a built in wardrobe? Yes, but I'm not sure of the construction of the building. It's very modern, of the style that looks as if built from steel, wood and plasterboard. There is good security for the building, and the windows could only be accessed with difficulty, but I can't see an easy way to prevent a burglar walking out with the whole safe. I suppose he could get a big safe and fill half of it with lead, assuming the load ratings of the floor are sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 talk to the landlord or move, rightly so the police won't let him have a safe unsecured unless he has a gunroom and realistically if he can't bolt a safe to the wall the landlord is unlikely to let him make a room secure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huffhuff Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 You could also bolt it to the floor, possibly under the bed. When it comes to moving out, some creative back combing of the carpet would render the holes invisible...i'd imagine (not that i've done it) :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_s Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 what about the attic? as wymberley said out of site out of mind. if the attic floor isn't boarded out i doubt the landlord would notice fixing it to the joists. that's if his feo is happy with it fixed to wooden joists. if his inspection is anything like mine, bluetack would have held it to the wall securely enough for the quick shake the psco gave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) what about the attic? as wymberley said out of site out of mind. if the attic floor isn't boarded out i doubt the landlord would notice fixing it to the joists. that's if his feo is happy with it fixed to wooden joists. if his inspection is anything like mine, bluetack would have held it to the wall securely enough for the quick shake the psco gave it. Being in a flat though he may unwittingly be putting the cabinet in his neighbours bathroom.... Edited May 26, 2011 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_s Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 ah, good point kyska, i missed that bit. ignore me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B25Modelman Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Does he know or have a friend who can secure his gun in their cabinet. My son lives in a rent and when he applied for his license he informed the FD that his gun(s) would be held in my cabinet. They had no problem with this when he got his visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Just bolt it in I think altering the building is more to do with moving windows doors ect or taking walls out. Its on most tenancy agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 You are not obliged by law to have a cabinet, but make you must make ample provisions for the secure storage of your firearm. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Trigger lock, filing cabinet for the fore end, and a steel rope through the barrel round the back of the radiator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefcat Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 A small take down cabinet screwed to the floor should do the job, especially if you can put it in a wardrobe out of sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen20 Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 just secure it to the wall as long as its patched up when he leaves i cant see it being a problem ive lived in a few rented properties and they have said no change of features etc and ive always secured my cabinet to the wall and had it patched up and then painted over again and always got my bond money back as it was patched up good and you couldnt even tell and hows the landlord going to know that hes got one in weekley inspections? i doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome of the Woods Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 You could also bolt it to the floor, possibly under the bed. When it comes to moving out, some creative back combing of the carpet would render the holes invisible...i'd imagine (not that i've done it) :yp: Creative back combing of a carpet!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 your not even allowed to paint the walls in rented buildings without permission and if i owned it even being a builder i would be angry about 4 12mm holes in the structure. i think the fixing of a trigger safe to the floor is the best bet as only 18inches long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 It's not what we think is adequate but what the Police Fire arm officer wants to see and that varies from force to force Some don't like attic's as they say after a days shooting you may be inclined to leave the gun out Some won't accept bolted to wooden floors I think all will probably want to see the gun out of sight, unless you have security like a gun club or gun shop I would register the gun with a friend who had a gun safe and just use it as required, registering the gun at his location would not mean he ownes it but that he is responsible for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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