Spiderdude Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Been on the clays today and noticed about an inch down from the stock end of the barrel there is a seam. This seam is leaking what looks like rust coloured oil. It is only on the top left hand side of the barrel not on the right. Is this normal? I just wouldn't have expected a seam to weep anything. I will try and post a pic to explain more when I am next on the computer. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 A picture would be handy. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Do you mean the rib ? Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 This is from where I mean. Unfortunately the oil has wiped off whilst in the bag. But this is the seam I am pointing to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4eyes Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Ive gotta say, if I think I understand you right, your saying there is oil coming out where the end of the chamber meets the barrel(tip of the nail file in the photo)? Is that right? if so I would be really worried but I do doubt that this is the case. Are you sure its not oil working its way from the ejectors, or off the rest of the barell, just pooling in the rut? Edited June 2, 2011 by 4eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicelydoesit Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 try takeing it appart and having a good clean also inspecting for dammage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Ive gotta say, if I think I understand you right, your saying there is oil coming out where the end of the chamber meets the barrel(tip of the nail file in the photo)? Is that right? if so I would be really worried but I do doubt that this is the case. Are you sure its not oil working its way from the ejectors, or off the rest of the barell, just pooling in the rut? That is where I mean. I wondered about that but it is only on that side not the other and it is rust coloured. I would have thought if it was off the ejectors or barrel then it wouldn't be rust coloured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Looks like you are pointing to where the barrels are sleeved onto the action. If you do have oil or anything leaking from there than you should not be shooting the gun . I very much doubt that any oil or liquid would seep out of the barrel joint to action . Is the gun tight on its face ? if not ,oil that is on the face of the action could be forced through the gap onto the barrels by firing the gun . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Just taken it all apart, there is rusting all around the top barrel at that point where it joins. Underneath it is far worse. Now I've given it a wipe around the join underneath, I can actually put my finger nail in the seam where it is open fractionally. I think a trip up to Gilsan tomorrow for them to look at it. No reason it should be like this as it is cleaned after every use. Edited June 2, 2011 by Spiderdude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Sounds as if the barrels to action joint is failing . Very unusual but it does happen ,what ever you do dont shoot it untill you have had it checked out . Let us know happens . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Wasn't aware that Beretta sleeved their barrels but you live and learn. However, it's unlikely to come from that joint, but if so, then what has already been said applies. As you say, there's very little to see - a brownish blemish at the top of the "seam" at the rib. The rib between the barrels is where I'd look. Do the barrels "ring"? May just pay to make a quick visit to the 'smith for a once over for your peace of mind. Edit: PS: Got sidetracked, just now seen posts #9&10 Edited June 2, 2011 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Look on the bright side. At least you've got a Hatsan to fall back on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 I had a 682 years ago which came loose at the joint. It's not unusual on Beretta's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Look on the bright side. At least you've got a Hatsan to fall back on True, more reliable than this Beretta garbage.... Rubbish stock preparation, failing joints, who'd have guessed the Hatsan would be faultless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 aye, would,nt touch a berretta with a barge pole, tally **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney86 Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 That part of the gun will get pretty hot in use, so any oil soaked into the gap will expand and find its way out. I'm not sure if it is right, but I've seen it on a couple of guns now - two of those after a 200 bird clay flush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Today it was very hot; both weather and 145 carts through it. I'll get it checked out just for my own peace of mind. My main concern in the gap in the join underneath, this is very obvious and the fact my nail fits into it makes me feel something is not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) Before I waste my time going up to Leyburn for Gilsan to look at it, am I better going direct to GMK? Edited June 3, 2011 by Spiderdude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard.Hosgood Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 (edited) My new SP1 also has a visible "gap" between chamber and barrel on the bottom barrel for some of its circumference, yet looking into the barrel there is no joint visible at all, which suggests there are sleeved??. The top barrel is totally seamlessly joined to the chamber - I think its just they way its made, and it never leaks oil or otherwise. For your peace of mind I would get it checked over at your local gunsmiths / dealers and go from there. I'll try and get a photo of it later for you. Edited June 3, 2011 by Richard.Hosgood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 From the photo it looks like you are refering to where the barrels are welded into the Monoblock Chambers section.( the vertical engraving is just the manufacturers way of trying to hide the join) ON NO ACCOUNT Fire this gun until a decent Gunsmith has looked at it? Please let us know about the result ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Thanks for all your replies and helpful comments. I have just got off the phone to the workshop at GMK. He says this is quite normal, even described the exact locations of what I have described before I fully went into detail. It appears it is to do with the way the barrels are sleeved onto the chambers and monoblock. Due to the Silver Pigeon range being mass produced it is impossible to get a 100% sealed fit. But the barrels are brazed in such a way that they are perfectly fine. The leakage I see is basically oil that gets sucked into the joint when wiping down the barrels, this then seeps when it gets hot. He said a lot of dealers do return them, but all they do is clean them up and send them back after inspection. It is only the hand made range that does not encounter this from time to time and should I compare a few together, I would see some that are better than others on the Silver Pigs. He was very helpful and went into great detail about the process. So once again thanks for the comments, I hope this post might put other peoples minds at rest should they have a similar experience with the Silver Pig 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 how much oil are you using sounds like its too much if this is happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 how much oil are you using sounds like its too much if this is happening Hardly any at all, just a wipe over with a couple of drops. The guy said that even the smallest amount would get sucked in through "capillary" action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 I have just got off the phone to the workshop at GMK. He says this is quite normal, even described the exact locations of what I have described before I fully went into detail. It appears it is to do with the way the barrels are sleeved onto the chambers and monoblock. Due to the Silver Pigeon range being mass produced it is impossible to get a 100% sealed fit. But the barrels are brazed in such a way that they are perfectly fine. The leakage I see is basically oil that gets sucked into the joint when wiping down the barrels, this then seeps when it gets hot. He said a lot of dealers do return them, but all they do is clean them up and send them back after inspection. It is only the hand made range that does not encounter this from time to time and should I compare a few together, I would see some that are better than others on the Silver Pigs. So a gap is ok in their mind is it? If you're getting rust coloured oil out then that means that something somewhere is rusting. Oil with powder residue will be pulled into the joint where you cannot clean it and the gun will be getting eaten away from the inside (slowly, but that's hardly the point). That's not something I'd be happy with from a thousand pound plus shotgun. My Baikal doesn't do it?! :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted June 3, 2011 Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Brown Leakage From Seam.... Normal??? After that title I was pleased your topic was about a gun, i thought it was about your trousers :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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