digger Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 *** is peoples obsession with "now its on the general licence its dead if it flies over me " mentality ? its not a free ticket to shoot gulls/canadas just because they are now classed as vermin.not having a dig in anyone but over the last few months its a recurring theme.forecourt attendants may well be watching us but have no doubt those who want a total ban on shooting are too. big deal,you can shoot a canada with a gat gun.great,you can shoot like faulds with a .22,up in the air or not. most important thing is respect for your quarry,a clean humane kill and not having to justify why you took the shot. lights paper and retires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 I love you can I have your babies :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosspot Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 a great point well made hear hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mungler Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Indeed, I thought the "Seal" thread was a wind up. The quicker that one slides off the board the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rarms Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 >its not a free ticket to shoot gulls/canadas just because they are now classed as vermin Isn't it? Surely I now have as much right to shoot a Canada on my permission as I do a Woodpigeon. What is the difference between the two? Digger, I agree with the sentiment of the post and I have probably missed some of the posts you are referring to. I caught the seal one I think. If everything is on the licence then what is the difference between a pigeon or a canada in terms of humanely killing it if it is being a pest? Kyle (Never shot a Canada, Seal or a Gull, Yet, but I have just applied for a .303 for those high pigeons ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Thank god Digger speaks some sense! Go ahead rarms, get shooting a bad name.If you want to shoot everything that is in the air go to your local clay ground. Cheers Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 very well said digger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 about time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Whilst I personally agree with some of what digger has written, I think there is a wider picture here. There are many contradictions in our sport/pastime and whilst we may not support all of them, we should be careful when we condemn them. How many people shoot foxes, during their breeding season, or when they are feeding cubs ? What about ferreting, or shooting, milky rabbit does and kits ? Should we shoot pigeons when they are nesting ? How much agricultural damage does a rook, crow, or seagull, actually cause ? The list could go on and on. There is quite a strong lobby for "seasons" for vermin shooting. We have also seen the circumstances in which some "vermin" can be shot questioned (starlings, sparrows). There could be other changes in the future. We may all have differing opinions on these matters and are free to conduct ourselves within the Law. Its fine to try to persuade people round to your particular thinking, but isn't it wrong to criticise someone for doing something they can do, because you don't want to ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) Whilst I personally agree with some of what digger has written, I think there is a wider picture here. There are many contradictions in our sport/pastime and whilst we may not support all of them, we should be careful when we condemn them. How many people shoot foxes, during their breeding season, or when they are feeding cubs ? What about ferreting, or shooting, milky rabbit does and kits ? Should we shoot pigeons when they are nesting ? How much agricultural damage does a rook, crow, or seagull, actually cause ? The list could go on and on. There is quite a strong lobby for "seasons" for vermin shooting. We have also seen the circumstances in which some "vermin" can be shot questioned (starlings, sparrows). There could be other changes in the future. We may all have differing opinions on these matters and are free to conduct ourselves within the Law. Its fine to try to persuade people round to your particular thinking, but isn't it wrong to criticise someone for doing something they can do, because you don't want to ? I agree with this a 110% Most creatures great and small have young this time of the year. Edited April 12, 2006 by Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamW Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I do agree with what has been said above, but I feel the mentality of some is more to do with numbers not protection.. and I feel this is the more the problem than what is shot.. I keep seeing post's on here about "out today and shot 100's" what are they doing with these birds? I will only shoot the birds I can deal with, just being there and creating a noise will put birds of farmers crops, which for most is the name of the game Just my view... Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I agree with Cranfield entirely. I have my own views on shooting and except others have different views. However, I do sometimes wonder why people feel the need to post certain threads they know will be scrutinsed, especially this being a public forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenzie Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 do sometimes wonder why people feel the need to post certain threads they know will be scrutinsed, especially this being a public forum. Now that makes a lot of sense. We all now that some people ain't squeeky clean when i comes to being responsable. The only difference is, I don't want to now,and i don't want to be associated with those persons that give shooting a bad name. Kenzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nildes Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 There are different interests here which people often forget. Shooting Geese in flight is considered sporting by some. Shooting them on the ground is considered pest control by others. Both are equally valid reasons for shooting. Both require similar skills and weapons. Both require camo and a knowledge of the prey. Shooting people down on BB's is considered a legitimate sport by some too and pest control by others. Its easy to hide behind a nickname and criticise. It enables people to get away with saying stuff that they wouldn't have the nerve to say face to face. Its not necessarily a bad thing if, after years of being the hunter, you suddenly find yourself as the quarry. Takes the wind out of pomposity On the other hand, those that turn their sights on other posters and off the topic, risk a poke on the chin if they ever meet up with their target. I like the banter I find here. I don't like too much holier than thou stuff. Its nice to encounter people who don't claim to know it all and who have made the odd mistake. Its a nice mix here. We're not all the same. I like it like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamspartacus Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 The problem as I see it is that someone who shoots something just because they can, although entitled to and does so legitimately, betrays an attitude of inconsideration and misunderstanding about the sport. The quarry lists are compiled to ensure that the species we hunt are done so for the good of those other than the hunter. With all quarry that is legally pursued we can see the benefits obtained from population control are for either its own species (deer culling) or society's interests (fox/rabbit/pigeon control etc). But the reason we go out there and do it is because we enjoy taking part in one of the most fundamental and historically important natural processes. If you think about why you enjoy hunting, it is not for the kill itself, but the whole occasion of participating in nature. This participation requires a vast amount of understanding to enable us to know the consequences of our actions, understanding that has been built up by learning from others and our experience. At least it is for me, and from the people i've spoken to its the same for them. So when we hear of someone killing for the sake of it, even if the quarry was on the list, it makes us think that they have not understood what its all about, they have not taken the time to understand the consequences of their actions, even if as far as they can see they have done no harm, with that attitude at some point I think they will do harm. Thats the sort of person who will not correctly identify a species, or won't be responsible for ensuring a clean kill etc. I apologise for the essay but I disagree with some who say each to their own so long as its legal. As we all know, the law is only as good as its makers and the current makers aren't that good, so it's up to us to uphold the values that go above the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 If you have cananda geese in droves on your permission and are suitably armed then go for it. If you have to get up at 3 o'clock in the morning to catch the rare glimpse of the single cananda goose in the area just to have a go at it then take a step back and wonder why you are doing it. Most of the shoots I have are in areas where rabbits are causing damage and need to be controled, however I am of the opinion that it is best to take a couple at a time and eat them (or give them away) and keep going back to do this than it is to cull them all in one go and toss 'em in the bin. Others may differ. This is an extension of diggers beliefs I think. There is always next time for getting that rabbit that got away. But at the same time you must balance it with the landowners wishes so it can be a toughie There is also the arguement that shooting pregnant rabbits or foxes with young is a good way of wiping out the next generation of pests, but i'm afraid that doesn't hold with me at all. :< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 thing is respect for your quarry,a clean humane kill and not having to justify why you took the shot.lights paper and retires Well said digger ...... .....I understand the need for crop protection this time of year when fields are being drilled so it's easy for me to say that I like to let things breed (which I do incidentley )as I don't participate much in Pigeon shooting ........However should the opportunity arise then I would jump at the chance Funny old world is'nt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 >but I have just applied for a .303 for those high pigeons I have been asked by Teal to spell out that this was a JOKE! Sorry if I have offended anyone with it!!! >Go ahead rarms, get shooting a bad name.If you want to shoot everything that is in the air go to your local clay ground I don't think you were quite getting what I was saying, however I think Cranfield summed up my sentiments in his post. Kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) Each individal has to "draw their own line" and there is a general consensus on what is game, what is fair game and what is vermin..... although don't tell any of those gothic looking piercing clad weirdos that insist on keeping rats and telling the world how clever rats are and how they should be respected. "It's on my certificate, I can see it, I can shoot it". I know someone who shoots and who lives near to Colchester Zoo. Anyway, it's down to personal choice and you get extremists in all walks of life.... I still think the "seals" thread was a wind up. If it wasn't, go and set up SealWatch Forums. Edited April 12, 2006 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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