markbivvy Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 5 pages , 60 replays, and it gets zapped because.There is no debate, that is a fact and that is what nttf stated. that might be what nttf said but that is not what the thread was about. a person in this country asked about shooting into trees in GB not some far off land. i think this chap who asked the question should be allowed to get all the info he can on the subject, and not be left thinking its alright over there i will do it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 (edited) It may OK over there, but it isn't OK over here. Bit like bowhunting and shooting other hunters :o If I can't see the ground above something I am about to shoot, I don't shoot. Maybe I then don't shoot as much stuff, but I don't make a habit of wounding/killing people either :( Edited April 18, 2006 by stuartp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 wol the hunter asked the original question and posted, "thanks DUNGANICK thats the kind of answer i was looking for. best i pump up me logun axor." That was the sixth post on page 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pelt man Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Anybody What are the stats in the UK for: 1) People being killed or injured by a shot that was fired up into a tree or 2) People being killed or injured by a shot that was fired at some thing on the ground. :( I still say that there is no Bird/Animal in the UK that requires the use of any other firearm than a shotgun or airrifle that would be up a tree, other than someone that had just broken into my house :o The Pelt Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozo Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Personally i think it comes down to the man behind the gun, if he can make the right judgement ie backstop big enough etc. and is skilled enough with his rifle i dont see a probelm, i personally would never take a shot, mainly cause i dont feel i have enough skill with a rifle, but i back nttf up, id say he takes many a shot into trees thats much safer that shots that some laloos take over here on the ground. And remeber accidents can happen on the ground ie a ricohet off a stone etc. theres no such thing as a perfectly safe shot! Ozo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 That was the sixth post on page 1. I'm glad this thread went well past the sixth post before coming to a conclusion .I certainly enjoyed some of the responses and it's ALWAYS inevitable that a good topic will always go off track and lead on to more relevant discussions . However once again one of the good chaps on here (NTTF)was starting to get flamed for having a difference of opinion with the majority and I can understand why the thread was pulled at the time it was . Oh As for myself I disagreed with NTTF ...........But I did'nt do it in a belittling manner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 IVE i didnt agree with nttf as well but the way i was reading the thread it seemed that as soon as some one disagreed with nttf the thread was pulled. could be wrong but it seemed that way. I think its every shooters responsibility to make sure he has a safe backstop and i bet nttf would not take a shot if he did not think it was safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 IVE i didnt agree with nttf as well but the way i was reading the thread it seemed that as soon as some one disagreed with nttf the thread was pulled. could be wrong but it seemed that way. I think its every shooters responsibility to make sure he has a safe backstop and i bet nttf would not take a shot if he did not think it was safe. People started disagreeing with nttf about post 10 on the first page, the thread went to five pages, go back and read it. The original question was answered about post number six. nttf has contributed immensely to this site, with professional advice regarding dog care and training, amongst other things. He is also a very experienced and accomplished hunter and people who have met him, say that he is a very nice bloke. We should recognise (and respect), that he comes from a different country than most of us, where they have have different customs, laws, practices, etc than we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Cranfield just hang on a minute i have the greatest respect for nttf even though i have never met him. I agree he contributed immensely to this site and i like reading his posts they are very helpful and in my honest opinion are very proffesional. So if you check no where in my post did i disrespect him and i dont think any off the long standing members would either. If we cannot say what we think whether right or wrong then there is some thing wrong with this forum i said what it looked like to me. If that is not good enough and not allowed then i will stop posting GOOD BYE. :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 I think this one has been done to death. However, I have learnt a thing or two, being: 1. NTTF lives in Canada with about 3 or so other people. The odds of him hitting anyone with a badly placed tree shot is slight (see earlier thread for exact population density statistics). Moreover, the possibility of him actually shooting me or anyone I know in the UK is several trillion to one and so I care even less. Furthermore, it would appear that of the population of Canada, one third are French Canadian, and so the positive way to look at this is that if anyone was to be hit, it would be three to one on that it could be a French Canadian. 2. NTTF actually does have a seal problem and therefore he shoots them to control them. He is not actively looking for a seal problem so that he can add "seals" to his FAC permissions and he does not live in Birmingham (not particularly known for having any deep rooted seal or fisheries problems). 3. being an outdoorsy type of person NTTF eats what he shoots. Fair play all round. However, as for the UK it's a different kettle of fish on all fronts. You only need to look up "responsible" in the dictionary to know the answer to the original question posed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzer1 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Hawkeye ......come back chap All the best Buzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Hawkeye; please don't go Anyone who wishes to disagree with me is more than welcome to. And I can asure you that is not why the original thread was closed. However this particular thread is going way off topic, so lets get it back on line. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 hawkeye, only the first two segments of my post, were answering the points you made in your post. I did not suggest that you had disrespected him. The last paragraph was my general observations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 hi Mike calm down mate, iam sure it will sort its self out . i dont think nttf was upset about any of the posts, we all have our own views. i think cranfield was just trying to protect nttf from any abuse. lets all kiss and make up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Toys back in prams... until the next time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 are the birds on the peas yet anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 as its now way off topic; nttf is the man on this forum for advice on training dogs,if he thinks a shot is acceptable who are we to judge ? plenty of people have either asked his advice or acted upon it.seems a shame that people deem fit to leave this forum cos we dont agree we have enough detractors without in-fighting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgunners Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 (edited) I must be one of the only pw members to ACTUALLY have gone shooting with NTTF. And from what myself and Topgunner 2 saw i would not worry at all. And he ain't big enough to get upset with anyone over 4ft 7". Am i right DAN or what.? (GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR) Dave K P.s Oh, and by the way. Alan said where's this string of his???:lol:???? Edited April 18, 2006 by Topgunners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 i shoot young crows every year with .22 lr and have done for years and only ever killed crows cheers kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgunners Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 hey cranfield. what happened to my post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Topgunner: Thats 4 foot 7 and a 1/2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 hey cranfield. what happened to my post? What post ? I ain't touched your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Topgunner: Thats 4 foot 7 and a 1/2 :blink: So, almost every shot is uphill from there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 a lot of fuss about nothing really fellas , in canada things are just different , not wrong or right just different . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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