snipe Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Now, this may seem a bit idiotic I know, but just wondering if you could simulate driven grouse with a clay trap without killing yourself in the process?! I have a day on them at the end of August but have no experience in shooting them. As such, having just purchased a promatic superhawk I was wondering if anyone knew of a safe way of getting some practice in? Or is it going to be a bit like shooting a charging lion? kill or be killed?! Thanks a lot, Snipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 its a case of miss as many as possible if you are paying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 The Royal Berkshire Shooting School have simulated grouse butts. Not sure how far that is from you? http://www.rbss.co.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Bisley shooting Ground, WLSS and a few others do it, look at this week shooting times has an article on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipe Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Thanks gents. Has anyone actually shot over this layout? and/or seen how it works? that would be very useful please, as i could put my new purchase to good use rather than splashing out on a clay ground for the time being. I'm slightly concerned about either the clays hitting me or me shooting the trap!! Snipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 RBSS is the best option. you wont shoot the traps either. best practice around imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Thanks gents. Has anyone actually shot over this layout? and/or seen how it works? that would be very useful please, as i could put my new purchase to good use rather than splashing out on a clay ground for the time being. I'm slightly concerned about either the clays hitting me or me shooting the trap!! Snipe. The grouse butt at a clay ground near me can be set to launch the clays directly at the shooter Although i've only seen one idiot stupid enough to do it Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipe Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 The grouse butt at a clay ground near me can be set to launch the clays directly at the shooter Although i've only seen one idiot stupid enough to do it Mark Thanks Mark. Have you seen the normal setup for the butt? do they just fire them consistently to the left or right of the butt or something? no reason why I couldn't set that up I guess. Thanks, Snipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Thanks Mark. Have you seen the normal setup for the butt? do they just fire them consistently to the left or right of the butt or something? no reason why I couldn't set that up I guess. Thanks, Snipe. Its an automated trap that you can remotely control where it fires to yourself. You can get about 50 degrees horizontal movement and 60 degrees vertical movement, its a really good practice trap. I normally use it to start novices on because you can set it to fire directly over head to get people used to shooting with only one plane of movement to consider. I use it myself for 1/4ing birds as i sometimes struggle with them, particularly on the left hand side. Because it can be moved in so many combinations of ways there isn't really a 'normal' position (other than not pointing directly at you!), but most people practice hi/low left/right/overhead birds with it. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipe Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Its an automated trap that you can remotely control where it fires to yourself. You can get about 50 degrees horizontal movement and 60 degrees vertical movement, its a really good practice trap. I normally use it to start novices on because you can set it to fire directly over head to get people used to shooting with only one plane of movement to consider. I use it myself for 1/4ing birds as i sometimes struggle with them, particularly on the left hand side. Because it can be moved in so many combinations of ways there isn't really a 'normal' position (other than not pointing directly at you!), but most people practice hi/low left/right/overhead birds with it. Mark Great, thanks Mark. I should be able to recreate that with the promatic superhawk I would have thought? As I did buy a remote for it too. Snipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 As chard said Go royal berks only grouse sequence in the country worth shooting. If it's not too far I'd give it 2 thumbs up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) Is simulated grouse similar to the low house on skeet from stand 1? I think coleys have grouse butts for practice if your worried about hitting the trap you can protect the critical bits ( motors controller battery etc ) Edited August 16, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) Noooo! Miles faster and Largely further out plus a real range of birds including a couple of brilliant driven upside down battues, middis, coveys the lot. Probably not cheap but well worth it. Most grounds "grouse" are pretty much low skeet from peg 1 which is a waste of shells and time as nothing like the real thing in any respect and it allows you to be very lazy and still break birds which is a bit counter productive. Edited August 16, 2011 by EdSolomons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicW Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) In a 'real' grouse shoot are they not shot as both driven and going away birds by turning round in the butt? Many years ago I used to go to a clay ground in north Notts,it was called Cavendish in the coal mine area. They had a simulated grouse butt and they shot birds as a pair,one as a driven and the second going away.For safety reasons you were forced to turn to your left.It was very demanding. It was possibly the oldest clay ground in the country with an amazing amount of memorabilia in the clubhouse.It still had the remnants of an early DTL layout where the trap was released by pulling a lever behind the shooters. Their other specialities were skeet from 50 foot towers and in the winter,game soup laced with a hint of whisky !! Vic. Edited August 16, 2011 by VicW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Bisley was good when I did it last the cays do come low and fast at you there where 2 or 3 butts we all wore hat and glasses incase we got hit but it was great fun and on the pay and play set up. Ive not tried the other but WLSS got a good write up as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmsy Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 royal berks grouse sequence is really good fun, and its all manual traps ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Get yourself down to Holland & Holland for a few hours on simulated grouse, great set up with manual traps with the springs wound up tight, they can throw coveys of 6 birds! Really testing shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Enjoy shooting the simulated Grouse but be aware as nothing can prepare you for the real thing, not that I have shot driven Grouse but I do load on a moor. The best game shooting ever and I didn`t rate it until I got involved Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipe Posted August 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Enjoy shooting the simulated Grouse but be aware as nothing can prepare you for the real thing, not that I have shot driven Grouse but I do load on a moor. The best game shooting ever and I didn`t rate it until I got involved Bill. Thanks Bill. What are the most common mistakes you see? and what tips you would you give to help prepare me for the day? Thanks, Snipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 There are two main problems shooters find with shooting Grouse for the first time. Problem one is that regular game shooters find it difficult to shoot below the sky line, as that was what they were always taught. The keeper will blow a whistle or sound a horn to signify when the beaters are in range and then it`s only shooting behind. The second is waiting too long to take a shot. Shoot them as soon as you see them, they are travelling much quicker than pheasants and will be past you before you can wink.In a good covey you will get off four shots, two in front and two behind , if you take them early. Enjoy your day.You`ll be bitten by the bug, all other game shooting pales after shooting Grouse. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipe Posted August 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Thanks bill, greatly appreciated. Top bit of advice there and I will take note of it for sure. Snipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 Snipe, practice shooting at clays driven hard at you, 3feet maximum off the ground then you will get some idea. A brilliant day out whether driven or walked up. Have a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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