linny Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 anybody had a basc appeal for young people letter its more like a begging letter a single payment for £35 or what you can afford will help us do more. when i started to read it i thought it was going to offer me some form of discount for my children to join as imm a full member im a bit disappointed i already pay now they want more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 I got that today too, must have cost them a fortune to send out, makes you wonder if it was worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Yeah, got one today thought the same as you then realized they were just tapping me up for a donation! Hacks me off that sort of thing big style, must cost a fortune to send everyone a letter. Can't imagine they get much back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willxx Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 their admin can't be too hot, I joined online 2 weeks ago and have had nothing back as yet, not even an email confirming my application?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Any young shooter that joins SACS get membership for free until there 18 Not slagging BASC by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan-250 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 As I'm still a "young shot" I got a letter but it's probably a different version to what you guys have got it it still has a donation thing attached and an envelope for return. Not getting anymore yet I entered for the quad like 3 times haha and car insurance this month is a killer at 900 crispy notes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmar fudd Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 :blink: 900 crispy notes? what are you drving mate ? mines 2100 fudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Mule Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 I'm currently one of the great unwashed (and have their cheaper insurance [thank you for that BTW]) but they still sent me the begging letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 anybody had a basc appeal for young people letter its more like a begging letter a single payment for £35 or what you can afford will help us do more. when i started to read it i thought it was going to offer me some form of discount for my children to join as imm a full member im a bit disappointed i already pay now they want more Why are you disappointed? It's an appeal for cash which is entirely voluntary, no pressure if you've no interest, no one knows or cares. No different to some chugger in your high street accosting you or someone rattling a tin on your doorstep or in your local. Except perhaps it might benefit a sport you love? No one is holding a gun to your head. You don't want to contribute, fair enough. But what's wrong with BASC soliciting contributions from those who do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Why are you disappointed? It's an appeal for cash which is entirely voluntary, no pressure if you've no interest, no one knows or cares. No different to some chugger in your high street accosting you or someone rattling a tin on your doorstep or in your local. Except perhaps it might benefit a sport you love? No one is holding a gun to your head. You don't want to contribute, fair enough. But what's wrong with BASC soliciting contributions from those who do? when someone in the street/local or on your doorstep is rattling a tin they are not asking you for £35,they would be happy with a couple of coppers, andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) when someone in the street/local or on your doorstep is rattling a tin they are not asking you for £35,they would be happy with a couple of coppers But either way if you're apathetic or just can't be ***** you can just say no. Why do BASC deserve more grief than the Mormons or the RSPCA for just for asking for cash? It's not compulsory. I think its a good idea to encourage kids into the sport and am happy to contribute. If you're not just ignore the letter. No one is going to kick your doors in and it isn't going to invalidate your membership, so what's the problem? God help you if you ever get an email from a Nigerian Prince asking for 10K. It's ok to say no or even to say nowt, honest!. Edited October 11, 2011 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I got it too. Good idea to engage in a campaign to attract young people to shooting. Comparing shooting to child molesting (as the letter claims the league against blood sports does) is just daft though, is it not? I mean, who in their right mind will believe that stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 We have some massive plans for Young Shots, and we already do loads as it said in the letter. But if we want to do more it will cost more. If you can afford a few quid to help, thanks, if you cant that’s fully understandable. It’s totally voluntary as has been said, so if you don’t want to support the Young Shots campaign you don’t have to. Best to al David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 We have some massive plans for Young Shots, and we already do loads as it said in the letter. But if we want to do more it will cost more. If you can afford a few quid to help, thanks, if you cant that’s fully understandable. It’s totally voluntary as has been said, so if you don’t want to support the Young Shots campaign you don’t have to. Best to al David Can't you just take it out of this years 10% rise in subscripton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 We have some massive plans for Young Shots, and we already do loads as it said in the letter. But if we want to do more it will cost more. If you can afford a few quid to help, thanks, if you cant that’s fully understandable. It’s totally voluntary as has been said, so if you don’t want to support the Young Shots campaign you don’t have to. Best to al David David, Might be nice to substitute, "are unable" for, "don't want". Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 We did not increase fees across the board this year? Indeed we reduced some of them. But did increase the ‘joint’ and ‘trade’ membership fee as these had been held very low compared to two individual fees for several years. Last cross the board increase was in March 2010 and it was about 4% Yes Wymberley I agree, unable or don’t want to is a much better phrase, thank you. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan-250 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 :blink: 900 crispy notes? what are you drving mate ? mines 2100 fudd Half a scrap yard, it's called an astra old 1.7td. cheapest I had was a 1.8 bravo due to the fact, the insurance company said " who would nick a fiat" that's why it's cheap. Helps having 3 yes no claims and no points now. I can't afford really, Not that I don't want to, I often empty my wallet of shrapnel into the heros bucket at morrisons. Just on 1100 a month, 900 insurance and 150 lodge leaves me with next to note haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 We did not increase fees across the board this year? Indeed we reduced some of them. But did increase the ‘joint’ and ‘trade’ membership fee as these had been held very low compared to two individual fees for several years. Last cross the board increase was in March 2010 and it was about 4% Yes Wymberley I agree, unable or don’t want to is a much better phrase, thank you. David My standard membership has just risen from £60 to £66, or am I imagining things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 As I said, the price for full membership went up to £66 in early 2010 - in 2008 full membership was £62 in 2009 full membership was £64 in 2010 full memberhsip was £66 in 2011 full membership is £66 David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I think the issue is not the content of the letter, it is as you say a good cause. But, surely the cost of sending out these letters has to be funded from those contributions and membership fees. What is the cost of design, print, envelopes, mail packing & postage? I cannot imagine it to be cheap in any way. What is the percentage of returns with a nice cheque? Ultimately I cannot believe that the cost of such mailings can be justified in this current financial climate. I maybe totally wrong and the BASC will get a huge positive financial response. I hope they do and I wish them luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Design is done in house, and of course we buy envelopes and paper in bulk so make massive savings. We can also save on postage because of volumes so postage is way below why you or I would pay over the counter. We certainly expect to make a 'profit' on this mailing and this money will be ring fenced for YS projects. How much I don’t know but we will certainly let members know how much and what the cash will be spent on in S&C. Regards David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I think the issue is not the content of the letter, it is as you say a good cause. But, surely the cost of sending out these letters has to be funded from those contributions and membership fees. What is the cost of design, print, envelopes, mail packing & postage? I cannot imagine it to be cheap in any way. What is the percentage of returns with a nice cheque? Ultimately I cannot believe that the cost of such mailings can be justified in this current financial climate. I maybe totally wrong and the BASC will get a huge positive financial response. I hope they do and I wish them luck with that. From what i know of such things proffesionally it's worthwhile when done correctly There are many who pay more in subs via personal memberships and also from thier club memberships to basc, they are happy with this as they value BASC. How many know how much you can take from charitable funds for "admin" its quite a lot! Consider what cheaper organisations actually do with the subs you pay, do you get value for money or just cheaper annual payments and the insurance you require?. What BASC does is respond, report and act, who else comes on here as a rep from the other organisations on a regular basis to explain things? How often do those organisations get main media coverage for responces? I got Pitched by one at Lowther and yeah it was a full on sales pitch (a bad one but a pitch non the less) I have yet to see this particular organisation act on anything much or influance it in a positive way, though i bet the director / directors earn a handy sum from setting it up - admin of course . That Said with companies and private individuals cutting non essential costs, perhaps BASC could look at some cheaper properties- especially for reg. offices? Low interest rates and increased fuel costs etc effect us all, it would be nice for the members too see some real effort in these regards before you ask for more support- its starting to grate a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linny Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Why are you disappointed? It's an appeal for cash which is entirely voluntary, no pressure if you've no interest, no one knows or cares. No different to some .accosting you or someone rattling a tin on your doorstep or in your local. Except perhaps it might benefit a sport you love? No one is holding a gun to your head. You don't want to contribute, fair enough. But what's wrong with BASC soliciting contributions from those who do? sorry for the late reply had work to do. i am disappointed with BACS i thought they were above that sort of thing did you get a letter ? i will and do support young people as i have three children and three grand children .basc aren't a (chugger in the high street)they are an organization so that's the difference i pay my way as said and always have done and anybody who knows me well knows im a straight generous person .i think the could have done this a lot better. we all could do with more money but thats not my point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Linny with 3 children and 3 grandchildren you are in the position to benifit most from the BASC YS project. The money BASC is trying to rase is for their future in shooting if they want to participiate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 sorry for the late reply had work to do. i am disappointed with BACS i thought they were above that sort of thing did you get a letter ? i will and do support young people as i have three children and three grand children .basc aren't a (chugger in the high street)they are an organization so that's the difference i pay my way as said and always have done and anybody who knows me well knows im a straight generous person .i think the could have done this a lot better. we all could do with more money but thats not my point Yes I got a letter. As well as BASC I'm in a few other organisations, RBLR etc. quite a few of which will occaisionly ask for cash for appeals or projects. Sometimes I contribute, sometimes I don't, depending on how flush I am and how worthwhile I feel the cause is. Like you I suspect, I feel grown up enough to decide who does or doesn't get any of my cash and its nobody's business but mine. If I do respond to this kind of appeal I don't feel smug and if I don't, I don't feel guilty. Its just a letter, just ignore it if you want, what's the big deal? I genuinely don't understand what the fuss is about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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