demonwolf444 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Saw this on micks guns. Personally, i would prefere to see all guns legitimately held on FAC and SGC, it probably wont happen. I would love to plink at targets, for leasure and competitively, but in this country we arnt even given the option, no matter how hard it might be. The petition is as follows; The Home Office should reclassify .22 calibre pistols as Section 1 firearms. This would permit legitimate sportsmen & sportswomen to practice competitive target shooting sports as require by many disciplines, including Olympic qualification, in this country. There would be no risk to the public, sporting firearms are not linked to criminal activity. and the link is; http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/360 I know most people on this forum dont do allot of pistol shooting, its more about game shooting, and allot of people in the past will have tryed pistol shooting, but allot of us will never have the opertunity except perhaps abroad. Personally i think its besides the point, its the principle that firearms should be allowed to those wanting them for legitimate reasons, such as antiques and competitive sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 This has been on the go in various forms for quite a while. I'm sure you know you can still own/shoot .22 (and 357/44) as "long barreled" pistols/revolvers, I do it every week, the only proviso being the +24" length. Personally I don't mind the rod sticking out of the back of my Buckmark as I used to shoot .22 target with similar balance weights back in the 80s, what I do miss though is my S&W 29 6" 44 magnum, used to love shooting Police Pistol with it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 me and my lot just sighnd up hope it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) This has been on the go in various forms for quite a while. I'm sure you know you can still own/shoot .22 (and 357/44) as "long barreled" pistols/revolvers, I do it every week, the only proviso being the +24" length. Personally I don't mind the rod sticking out of the back of my Buckmark as I used to shoot .22 target with similar balance weights back in the 80s, what I do miss though is my S&W 29 6" 44 magnum, used to love shooting Police Pistol with it . Face down range ,load and make ready ,targets away ,watch and shoot ,watch and shoot . . I still dream about it . Harnser . Edited October 17, 2011 by Harnser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I'd love a .22 pistol. Will I ever get to see it though, I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 I'd love a .22 pistol. Will I ever get to see it though, I doubt it. Nothing stopping you getting one now (assuming you are a member of a target shooting club with an FAC), Taurus revolver, Browning Buckmark semi auto, GSG 1911 semi auto etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Nothing stopping you getting one now (assuming you are a member of a target shooting club with an FAC), Taurus revolver, Browning Buckmark semi auto, GSG 1911 semi auto etc. They're not real pistols though, they're a Frankenstein abomination which you have to pay an extortionate amount for. Every time I see one I feel sad for the genuine pistol shooting we had. I've shot a couple but its like shooting a rifle with a tennis racket stuck to it (and paying for the privilege of this "feature"), what's the point? :( I was a very active pistol shooter shooting PP1 & 2, 1500, practical, skittles etc. You couldn't shoot any of these properly with an LBP/LBR. Taurus revolvers were considered cheap inferior copies of Smiths and could be bought for peanuts with a 4 or 6 inch barrel and no ridiculous steel rod sticking out of the butt. How much would I have to pay for a Taurus LBR? There's a tiny market these hence the comedy prices. But it really would be like the government saying we'll take your rifles off you but you can buy new ones for twice or three times the price and oh yeah, they'll have to have a bicycle wheel welded on the end of the barrel. Insult to injury :( Crack on if it's your thing, but it's not for me :( In response to the OP, I've signed, but it isn't going to happen Edited October 18, 2011 by Blunderbuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 I agree they are useless for something like Police Pistol etc. and the quality of the Taurus leaves a lot to be desired (which is why I went for the Browning instead of the Taurus .44) but for target shooting I find it's not that different to my old .22 Feinwerkbau with the balance weight etc. Do I shoot as much pistol as I used to?, no, nowhere near as much but it's still nice to be able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 You have more chance of throwing a snow ball at the sun then getting section one hand guns back. The biggest opponents would be the police, its not in there interest to have legal firearms back in the hands of the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Signed ages ago. I'd love to have a go at proper pistol shooting without massive barrel,but in the mean time i'll stick with my 44 muzzle loader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Soon as i can im going to get a BPP as i really want to get in to it i would get an LBP but to be honest i would rather spend five G on a really nice rifle. black powder pistol looks dirty and messy and allot of fun. Are the Uberti and Pietta models any good? and Yeh its a shot in the dark, the problem is the shooting community is a minority and the few who shoot pistols are smaller still so it wont be realised. Just think if people could legally own handgun there would be allot more people passionate about them, and a return of competition shooting, but they have gone and we will probably never see them again. shame when a minority of idiots ruins something for a bigger minority... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 but they have gone and we will probably never see them again. shame when a minority of idiots ruins something for a bigger minority... I believe that's called democracy, unfortunately it's the modern way to ban stuff, once banned it can come back but if they cant get cannabis legalised how the hell will they get pistols back? http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29 they ahve a lot more signatures and a lot more support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I don't think that BPP, LBP and LBRs do a great deal for the cause. If people were buying 'road legal' versions of the target pistols used in the olympic events then that would be more encouraging, but people seem more interested in buying barely legal versions of pistols that cowboys/Navy SEALs/Dirty Harry would use. It doesn't look too good to a casual observer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Problem is that in this country there aren't any "road legal" versions of target style pistols, in fact the UK Olympic Pistol Team can't even practice in this country and have to go to Northern Ireland, the I.O.M and even Switzerland!. The pistols available now are not "barely legal" they are completely legal, and yes, some look like one of Frankensteins creations but it's all we're allowed by law. The Browning Buckmark conversions are a nice pistol, they shoot well, have a good trigger and are from a proven reliable design and are about as close as you are going to get to a target type pistol under current guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 They are designed to just fit within the letter of the law. Look at the LBP that somebody on here recently bought - a Colt 1911 made legal by extending the barrel down a faux suppressor and sticking a metal brace on the back. It's designed for its form rather than its function. The 'British athletes training abroad' argument is not going to hold a lot of water until those that keep shouting about lifting the ban stop buying these flash toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Are the Uberti and Pietta models any good? and Yeh its a shot in the dark, the problem is the shooting community is a minority and the few who shoot pistols are smaller still so it wont be realised. My Uberti is the Remington 1858 and is a good laugh to shoot.Yeah,black powder is dirty,smelly,smokey,not the most accurate form of shooting,but it always puts a grin on my face.I find 17 grains of BP is the most accurate,but have also used 35 as an experiment which resulted in harsh recoil and a lot of smoke. Cleaning the pistol is very easy-remove the 2 wooden hand grips (one screw),flip cylinder out and place the whole lot in a sink full of hot soapy water for 20 minutes.Scrub with an old toothbrush then rod the barrel with a brush,take out side and spray the whole lot with WD40 to displace the water.Then oil as usual with your usual brand. If you want to use genuine black powder like i do you'll need an explosives certificate from the Police and an RCA document from HSE,but both these amazingly cost nothing.What you will also need is a wooden box to store the powder in (has to be fireproof)-18mm ply or MDF is sufficent.We have peculiar laws in the UK so while the Police will issue you a certificate to purchase black powder it wont allow you take it away from the shop which is what the RCA document is for.Black powder isnt like reloading powder though-its very unstable so you really do need to take care when handling because static can set it off.Curiously im licensed to carry 15kgs which is a heck load of powder! You can however opt for Pyrodex which is a substitute and can be bought over the counter like shooters powder. This is mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingphil Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 This is my 'road legal' .22 Free Pistol to use at 50m for ISSF events (ie Olympics) This is all within the rules for my sport and for the law in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 This is my 'road legal' .22 Free Pistol to use at 50m for ISSF events (ie Olympics) This is all within the rules for my sport and for the law in the UK. This is exactly the sort that should be promoted and sold, but unfortunately whenever you open a magazine or web forum, you tend to just see things like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Like the Remi' very much.If I were to get back into pistol shooting,I think blackpowder would be my choice.Had some very nice handguns once on,but my favourites were always the classics from the 19th/early 20th centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) My last Black powder pistol was http://pedersoli.co.za/f07s305.html one of these. It was capable of shooting very good groups I shot in club competitions when pistols were legal, but to be honest the target shooters were in the minority, most folks just wanted to have a bit of fun with a pistol, normally the bigger the bang the better. The only trouble was they were very poor shots. Edited October 19, 2011 by BlaserF3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 This is my 'road legal' .22 Free Pistol to use at 50m for ISSF events (ie Olympics) This is all within the rules for my sport and for the law in the UK. That takes me back I didn't know you could still get target pistols, never came accross a single one in the months I spent looking for a LBR/P. Can you tell me where you got it and (if it's not too nosey) what sort of price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Like the Remi' very much.If I were to get back into pistol shooting,I think blackpowder would be my choice.Had some very nice handguns once on,but my favourites were always the classics from the 19th/early 20th centuries. I liked the classics, as well as some modern stuff I had a webley MkVI in .455 which was great fun, and was about to buy a luger when Dunblane happened. I know you can still shoot some of these under section 7, but it seems a lot of hassle and there isn't a section 7 club anywhere near me. I should add that the disdain I expressed for long barreled pistols/revolvers in my earlier post does not extend to black powder pistols. They're entirely legit and part of the history of firearms development. Not Frankenstein abberations designed to exploit loopholes in a ridiculous law. In fact I have a slot for one I intend to fill soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I stopped shooting in the late 70's and didn't return to it till a couple of years ago, so that was after the ban. I am in the process of getting club membership as part of my application for FAC and the club local to me has quite a few members who shoot LBR as well as their other guns. What actually is the fundamental objection to these (apart from the obvious appearance/silly barrel length), I am genuinely struggling to understand? I was not lucky enough to shoot the 'real thing' and whilst I shoot pistol when visiting friends in the USA, it seems doubtful I will ever be able to in UK, so this would be the nearest chance I have. I agree, compared with the 'genuine'item, they are a frankenstein, but surely beggars can't be choosers, or will the continued use of these really slow any chance we have of getting 'normal' pistols back? I respect the opinions of the members here with a lot more experience and knowledge than me and this is a genuine question, so be good enough not to just flame me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingphil Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 That takes me back I didn't know you could still get target pistols, never came accross a single one in the months I spent looking for a LBR/P. Can you tell me where you got it and (if it's not too nosey) what sort of price? This is a Morini based on the CM84e and is sold by the NSRA. I got mine when they first came out and were about £1k but I think the euro exchange has pushed the price to more like £1200 now. You can find the odd secondhand one but people tend to alter the grips quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Real Pistol shooting will never come back 1 too many mothers making them notorious to teenagers 2 Too many shooter in fear of these people to dare say anything. I have many black powder pistols still dislike them and as for that free pistol thing my god looks very uncomfortable to handle and shoot. Think I'll stick to the air pistols or may give that 1911 or that shorten downed rifle can't remember its name buck something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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