beerdeor Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Elby I think you are offering a good service here,at a sensible price.I fail to see why you get a hard time on here for offering a service that people without land to shoot over would jump at. Probably going to get a beasting for this but............have you seen the price of one of our sight sponsers days? and you can buy a brace of birds back,I know that's lucky, so give then man a break everybody has to earn a living. atb Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Elby I think you are offering a good service here,at a sensible price.I fail to see why you get a hard time on here for offering a service that people without land to shoot over would jump at. Probably going to get a beasting for this but............have you seen the price of one of our sight sponsers days? and you can buy a brace of birds back,I know that's lucky, so give then man a break everybody has to earn a living. atb Jim mate i have already apologized to the man for how i worded it as it wasn't meant like it came out, i do think though that it is a sad thing that people have to pay for shooting vermin and the more it goes on the more farmers are going to jump on the band wagon and start charging soon there wont be any free shooting and it will only be the well off that can afford it, if only more people would be generous and share there shooting with others then this sport we all love would be better for it, not that i am old but i can remember a time when no one had to pay to shoot vermin guess its just the times we live in, colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerdeor Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Colin that wasnt a pop at you.I totally agree with what your saying there was a time when farmers welcomed guns with open arms,sadly as you say I'ts getting hard now I was reffering to this time last year .Elby was offering beating IIRC and he got a right good kicking out of it, just not right IMHO no harm ment ayb Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotland rifles Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Well not being a shotgun man i have to say i think colin is in for a shock (im with him on this) as i did not have a clue how much pigeon shooting goes for around here, i was told the other day, just after i purchased my 5th shotgun in my life that to have a shoot here loacally it could cost me more than £350 for a days shooting. 1, breakfast 2,driven shoots ? Lunch in the field 1 more shoot then back to the house for a spot of tea, i take people out lamping just for the fun of it, the other week i took a lad out long range bunny hunting with my 6mm br 96 rounds later we had lunch?? makes you think how much you could make. bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Perhaps as posts/topics such as the OPs' are essentially selling Pigeon Shooting sessions for profit they should be in the 'Other Sales' section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 I just got a large permission at no cost at all. Mind you, there aren't actually any pigeons there at all yet, hopefully this winter some will turn up. So, sometimes you get what you pay for. Mine was free, and empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Perhaps as posts/topics such as the OPs' are essentially selling Pigeon Shooting sessions for profit they should be in the 'Other Sales' section. I think this section is fine thanks. I'll stay here unless it's renamed to "Free Shooting/Ferreting/Beating Available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Many farmers class deer as vermin, I don't see the people advertising stalking on here getting stick. And yes years ago there was probably more free shooting from farmers, I can even remember them supplying me with carts to go shooting pigeon. I can also remember getting a packet of fags for 10p. Farmers now may well be wiser as to how things work, I pay for most of my land either with money or work carried out. Farmers much prefer to have one person in control of their vermin destruction, many of the farms I rent have come about because farmers know they could be liable for accidents so having guns wandering all over the place and not knowing where each other are could be dangerous, also it's good for them to be able to call one person that can sort out a problem and not just be there on the weekends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 not this one again !!!!!!!!!!!!. if someone wants to pay to shoot pigeons thats thier perogative. personally i wouldnt and thats probably why unfortunately for me i dont get to shoot a lot of them i,ve been out with hawkeye and rabbiter from here and really enjoyed it and all its cost me was fuel and carts .. i have permission but not on crop farms only on a dairy farm and a small livery farm. so my opinion is you got plenty of shooting permission plenty pigeons and want to charge to allow others to shoot and they are willing to pay then so be it and who are we to moan or knock those that do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyR Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 £80 Blimey. I could shoot half a grouse for that, well maybe a third on a really good moor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 £80 Blimey. I could shoot half a grouse for that, well maybe a third on a really good moor! Brilliant . If you do, can I shoot the other half ? I'd like to eat the front half if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boristhedog Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 I've taken Elby up on his offer a few times, driving from South Wales to Milton Keynes for a day’s pigeon shooting or a night's lamping. His advice was invaluable, easily worth the drive and the small charge he makes for his time, the loan of his kit, the use of rifle ammunition and the large acreage of farmland he can access to find a decent location for a few hours. I have also taken others from PW up on similar offers; Fenny, Webber and Eddoakley for example. Whilst I may not have thanked them publically on the forum I hope they know just how welcome their offers are to me and no doubt others learning the ropes or without farms to shoot. I will continue to learn the art and skills required and if I have to pay a small charge for that then I’m happy to do so. I paid to learn to drive; what’s the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted October 25, 2011 Report Share Posted October 25, 2011 and i got slated when i offered to take someone out for the cost of picking me up so dont bother now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levelplaying Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 You have pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daztheman Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 would just like to say to all those people on here saying thats not bad for a days pigeon shooting when you cant get permission of your own it's posts like this & people like this why we cant get permission. Daz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 would just like to say to all those people on here saying thats not bad for a days pigeon shooting when you cant get permission of your own it's posts like this & people like this why we cant get permission. Daz Its got nothing to do with "people like this" why some people can't get permission. Elby must of had to go door knocking just like the rest of us have to gain our permission. There are plenty of farmers out there that are willing to let you control the vermin on there land but you are not going to find any unless you spend alot of time/money driving around knocking on doors. Complaining on here certainly isn't going to get you any land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) simply you are paying for a decent days pigeon shooting with someone else doing the reccying work and finding the land etc. £80 is on the cheap end if you pay for pigeon shooting, always amusing when these arguments crop up it just gives people with no ground a choice of locations to go to. I've been out stalking from a few of the adverts on here and you meet new people and learn more every time, usually with someone as keen on the sport as you and certainly one couldn't have tried harder to get me onto a deer fruitlessly in the end but never had so many encounters without quite achieving it so a truly memorable day on ground I wouldn't otherwise have been on Edited October 27, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daztheman Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 it is "people like this" because they dont know when to stop door knocking they dont just go out & get enough land so they can have a good bit of shooting they get more than they can cope with then go to the farmer with a plan how about we get people to protect your crops for you so you make more money of them but the best bit is they pay us for doing it. and has for the land being sorted & all the reccying being done if you want everything set up so you can just go point & shoot go to your local clay ground.Daz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted October 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 it is "people like this" because they dont know when to stop door knocking they dont just go out & get enough land so they can have a good bit of shooting they get more than they can cope with then go to the farmer with a plan how about we get people to protect your crops for you so you make more money of them but the best bit is they pay us for doing it. and has for the land being sorted & all the reccying being done if you want everything set up so you can just go point & shoot go to your local clay ground.Daz Do you know me, I don't think so. Mate you're an idiot, I have around 6000 acres built up over a 30 year period. I either pay rent for my land or pay in work around the farm. But all that aside, I don't want any more land and don't go door knocking for more. So if we are going to go round making assumptions about people here are mine about you: You have a little bit of land somewhere obscure with not a lot on it if anything, you can't get any more land because as soon as you open your gob the farmer realises that you are way to thick to look after his land, you can only shoot weekends (if your mum says it's ok). If you could you would have a million acres of permission and still keep door knocking because you are a bit of a control freak and you could get other shooters on there and boss them about a bit and tell them they are doing it all wrong. I could go on all night but I'll save more assumptions about you for when I've read a few more from you about me. Yours Elby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foggy011983 Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) I think a moderator should close this thread and allow the op to create a new post without all these other comments. None of these comments relate to what the op has advertised and if people don't want to pay, they should not comment. I know this is a forum but this is the classified section and is designed for selling or giving. As such I feel that most the comments are not needed or related. Anyone interested by the title of this thread will be put off now and if I was the op I would say ****** giving people the oppertunity. Perhaps the rules for these sections should be changed but that's just my view Edited October 27, 2011 by foggy011983 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphin Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 it is "people like this" because they dont know when to stop door knocking they dont just go out & get enough land so they can have a good bit of shooting they get more than they can cope with then go to the farmer with a plan how about we get people to protect your crops for you so you make more money of them but the best bit is they pay us for doing it. and has for the land being sorted & all the reccying being done if you want everything set up so you can just go point & shoot go to your local clay ground.Daz dont usually reply to these posts but what has it got to do with you or me if people want to pay for shooting i will probaably have as much land as elby without the number of birds his permission has the reason being is the farmer knows you will be there week in week out and no i dont charge for shooting but i will be paying to shoot with another member of pw shortly because he has geese and my land does'nt so i think your really wasting your breath and time here and if you carry on eating them clay pigeon you'll be wasting your teeth as well atb dolphin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatveggieboy Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Having shot with Elby several times i think you will find that the charge is good value. I have shot with other "top" guides and paid £150 for a days shooting to be plonked in a field and left to get on with it for the day for a total of 4 birds. If Elby isn't around he will be on the phone to see how you are getting on and will do his best to get you where the birds are, so cant really do any more that he does!! As has been pointed put on numerous occasions, if you are not happy about paying for your pigeon shooting then don't! cheers Fats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bothbarrels Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 I think a moderator should close this thread and allow the op to create a new post without all these other comments. None of these comments relate to what the op has advertised and if people don't want to pay, they should not comment. I know this is a forum but this is the classified section and is designed for selling or giving. As such I feel that most the comments are not needed or related. Anyone interested by the title of this thread will be put off now and if I was the op I would say ****** giving people the oppertunity. Perhaps the rules for these sections should be changed but that's just my view I totally agree, it's run it's course and will just end up going round and round in circles now, almost every concievable opinion has been aired, all the keyboard warriers have had thier say, as have the logical thinking and more open minded members, who will have voiced thier thoughts. What started as a reasonable, honest offer from someone who obviousley knows what he's doing and talking about, has turned into yet another bitching match.and witch hunt I've spoken to many guns I've met on here & in the flesh, and all have the same opinion great site,that opens up a whole host of doors for users, with the majority of members being friendly and willing to help others out, but just too much bitching over nothing,and it being allowed to go on and on, leaving the opening thread totally lost in the foray, and no doubt with the OP'er, having a bad taste in his mouth. Maybe the moderators should start another forum called, "whats YOUR opinion?" BB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexbb Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Got plenty hitting the wheat drilling (loads of seed on the top) and chitting rape. £80 per gun per day, discounts for 3+ guns. Bucks/Beds Hi Elby, can you tell me what the set up is? Do you provide decoys/nets etc or is it bring your own? Also can you do Wed? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Hi Elby, can you tell me what the set up is? Do you provide decoys/nets etc or is it bring your own? Also can you do Wed? Cheers I can supply all that if you need it. Can do Weds no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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