m3vert Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Sorry guys but if I am on the train and have an important meeting to attend I aint sitting about whilst some fair dodger decides he is telling the conductor to **** off and is happy to sit it out and delay the train I am on. DOnt care if he is a scrawny wee **** like the lad in the train or a guy my own size, granted its probably going to get more out of hand with a bigger lad. But defending the fair dodger is what is ******g wrong with this country of ours! I too would happily have gave him a tenner if he politely said to the conductor "sorry mate I cant afford the ticket" But to abuse the staff member and happily delay the train AND swear like that infront of youngster, he got exactly what he deserved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 In my opinion he should not have intervened, it had nothing to do with him at all. It had everything to do with him-the conductor had already said that the train would not move until the teen (who is 19 so legally an adult) got off. Fair play to the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I take it that most people on here have either an fac or sgc, if you did eject a person off a train or a bus and they pressed charges... bang goes your gun...so to speak. We cannot afford to become embroiled in a situation like this, at one time in history we could, but not anymore. I still say the passenger should not a laid a finger on the lad even if he was swearing, the Guard should have involved the Police, that's what they are there for. I would love to see instant justice carried out sometimes but sometimes it's done by the wrong people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I really don't see why the law does have a problem with that sort of thing. It certainly shouldn't! The lad wasn't hurt, what's the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster1971 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 good to see there are people out there who are brave enough to do the right thing lucky the big fella didnt get stabbed like that aussi chap on the bus recently that was in the news is libs short for liberal by any chance as in bleeding heart liberal :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 A little bit more on this http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/12/13/police-hunt-for-big-man-who-threw-alleged-fare-dodger-off-scottish-train-86908-23631110/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) You intervene if there is danger to life or limb, forceful ejection by a third party over a fivers worth of fare who has no lawful authority to get involved can only be seen as physical assault in the eyes of the law. Stand back for repercussions for the big man. Edited December 13, 2011 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Here is a copy from the post i have just started. We all need to stop walking on by.. Had a bit of an upseetiing day today in that whilst buying some food at the station, i witnessed a child being verbally and physically abused by her mum. As a parent myself and one who broadly supports corporal punishment as a whole, i was shocked by what i saw. The child and her mother and a friend were having a coffee at a table next to mine and the mother was just ranting constantly at the child. The child then went into the shop to get away from her mother, she looked as if she had been sobbing for a while and it wasn't a " i want my own way" whine, it was big gulping sobs. The mother then stood at the door ******* and blinding. The child i think was somewhere betwen 7-9 yrs old. The mother then told her to "get out here or you will get some more" , set her into a chair and continued to lambast her with the child cowering. Then she suddenly reached over and belted her across the head, and when i say belt i mean a hard belt not a tap. She then did that again straight away and it was at this point I decided to get involved. I called 999 straight away then told the mother she could not do that again. She ignored me but within 1 minute of me making the call the police turned up. They took the mother off for a statement and took my details and my statement. I sat back down, the child was still sobbing and i said to the friend that i was sorry but i had been left with no choice. The friend sias that she had warned her a number of times and that the woman's ex partner was casuing stress etc. Whilst i sympathised i said that she could not take it out on her daughter. Hopefully the mother may now get any help she needs. It was a hard call as i only saw a few minutes of it and did not want to jump to conclusions about what i saw but i could not morally pass by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 A little bit more on this http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/12/13/police-hunt-for-big-man-who-threw-alleged-fare-dodger-off-scottish-train-86908-23631110/ love this bit-It shows an elderly inspector.I know the guard involved and he's bound to get stick for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 How was he being antisocial? Cursing and ******* in a carriage holding members of the public, thats antisocial as far as I am concerned, well done the big guy, now thats the kind of "do-gooder" I like to see. Reminds me of old fashioned policemen who administered a short sharp shock round a dark corner, no paper work, no court case, no conviction, no criminal record , no social worker but a lesson learned and not forgotten. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Remember Libs, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. what a powerful statement.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I take it that most people on here have either an fac or sgc, if you did eject a person off a train or a bus and they pressed charges... bang goes your gun...so to speak. We cannot afford to become embroiled in a situation like this, at one time in history we could, but not anymore. I still say the passenger should not a laid a finger on the lad even if he was swearing, the Guard should have involved the Police, that's what they are there for. I would love to see instant justice carried out sometimes but sometimes it's done by the wrong people. used common law to stop a crime from happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 What a bully, I would call that assault. Edit: I doubt he would have done that to a grown man. If you dont agree with the solution mate, then YOU are part of the problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Teacher Ian Hems, who filmed the incident on his phone, said the Big Man told him: “If I end up in jail, you’ve got to comeand bring me a bag of pickled onion Monster Munch.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I take it that most people on here have either an fac or sgc, if you did eject a person off a train or a bus and they pressed charges... bang goes your gun...so to speak. We cannot afford to become embroiled in a situation like this, at one time in history we could, but not anymore. I still say the passenger should not a laid a finger on the lad even if he was swearing, the Guard should have involved the Police, that's what they are there for. I would love to see instant justice carried out sometimes but sometimes it's done by the wrong people. Dont hide behind your gun licence. No one would touch your licence if you were upholding the law and any solicitor would soon back you up. There is too much talk on this forum about losing your licence for nothing, a lot of it is in the mind. If a copper comes to take your licence when you are innocent then that is bullying and he wouldnt have a leg to stand on in a legal challenge. There are loads of things you can genuinely lose your licence for but dont let the irrational fear of losing it stop you from being a man!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Hear Hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 rubbish regards automatically losing your licence for getting involved! The FEO looks at any charges against you on a case by case approach and make any decision regarding you once they know the facts. So you would not necessarily lose your licence for helping out in this case! As has been said dont hide behind your licence to help out our communities! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Dont hide behind your gun licence. No one would touch your licence if you were upholding the law and any solicitor would soon back you up. There is too much talk on this forum about losing your licence for nothing, a lot of it is in the mind. If a copper comes to take your licence when you are innocent then that is bullying and he wouldnt have a leg to stand on in a legal challenge. There are loads of things you can genuinely lose your licence for but dont let the irrational fear of losing it stop you from being a man!! You do not know what type of "man" I am. Ejecting a passenger from a train is assault, fact. The Transport Police should have been involved not "a big man" who did assault the lad. No one's life was in danger, the lad was not a threat to anyone at all, but "a big man" had to stick his nose in and could be charged, really in this day and age you have to weigh up the pros and con's before you get involved. In a life threatening situation different action might need to be taken, but to me that was a bully showing off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 you are entitled to your opinion and I mine! I just happen to think your wrong and I'm right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 You do not know what type of "man" I am. Ejecting a passenger from a train is assault, fact. The Transport Police should have been involved not "a big man" who did assault the lad. No one's life was in danger, the lad was not a threat to anyone at all, but "a big man" had to stick his nose in and could be charged, really in this day and age you have to weigh up the pros and con's before you get involved. In a life threatening situation different action might need to be taken, but to me that was a bully showing off. Is the correct answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Ok so if the story in the Record is too be believed he is also a lying wee scote as well! The conductor tells him he doesnt have the correct ticket and at no time does he say he has the correct ticket in his pocket! He was actually chucked out at my local station Linlithgow lol I will be very surprised if this bell end decides to press charges, the abuse he will get when he is out will be bad enough just now without having The Big Man charged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 If you stop and think about this logically you'll soon come to the conclusion that it was not worth taking the risk over a dodged fare. If the guy hadn't been BIG, he would not have tackled the scrawny young man, if the lad had turned out to be a moron looking to turn into a street fighter at the slightest provocation and had suddenly pulled out a knife and started lashing out you can only guess at the outcome, just not worth it unless there is imminent danger to life or limb. There are lots of heroic sentiments here, makes you wonder why so many people get beaten to a pulp in full view of the public :unsure: ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 is libs short for liberal by any chance as in bleeding heart liberal :yp: My political opinion is if it ain't Right (wing) its wrong. A liberal I most certainly am not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster1971 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 My political opinion is if it ain't Right (wing) its wrong. A liberal I most certainly am not. no offence meant just a joke , couldnt help myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) You do not know what type of "man" I am. Ejecting a passenger from a train is assault, fact. The Transport Police should have been involved not "a big man" who did assault the lad. No one's life was in danger, the lad was not a threat to anyone at all, but "a big man" had to stick his nose in and could be charged, really in this day and age you have to weigh up the pros and con's before you get involved. In a life threatening situation different action might need to be taken, but to me that was a bully showing off. You patronisingly say 'in this day and age' as if things are so much harder to sort out now than in the past, wake up, things are rubbish because of all this excuse making that people like yourselves excel at. Edited December 13, 2011 by unapalomablanca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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