midlandsman Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haytime Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Not even I could miss there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Oh dear. Its not sporting its a "blast", and thankfully not over here. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Looks like a cracking day oot and if they are all wild birds i would love to know their secret.Cocks only should make for good breeding year on year weather permitting.40g of 4s(5uk??) does seem a tad much for that kind of walked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olddogfox Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I have a friend who shoots in South Dakota and where they shoot they are all wild birds. When they shot there last year he said there was ten,s of thousands of wild pheasants. They have a bird limit of cocks only and there are about 20 guns out and they did not start shooting until midday and are finished in a couple of hours. olddogfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Not a lot different than a "walked up" day over here. It also should be understood that most of the guns being used are 20 or 28 bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 If they are all wild birds (And I have no reason to believe that they are not) then they really do know the "secret" of keeping them around, and fair doos to them for that! At least they have a rule of no ground birds and no low fliers. It can sometimes be difficult to judge the distances when you see a video like this so I could be wrong but some of the birds shot seemed a bit close, especially being hit with 4 shot, I would rather see the birds given a bit more "law" in some of those shots. Whilst it looks like a great set up I don't think it would really be be my cup of tea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 It can sometimes be difficult to judge the distances when you see a video like this so I could be wrong but some of the birds shot seemed a bit close, especially being hit with 4 shot, I would rather see the birds given a bit more "law" in some of those shots. I have shot extensively in the US and a lot of areas similar to this require steel shot to be used. That would explain the higher shot size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Really enjoyed that...brilliant!One or two birds I personally would have left,but who am I to criticise?All seemed safe and immensely enjoyable,and as someone else said,not to different to a walked-up day over here.We sometimes get flurries of half a dozen birds on one of our rough shoots when the dogs put them up,but nothing like those numbers!What a fabulous day out!Thanks for posting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I have shot extensively in the US and a lot of areas similar to this require steel shot to be used. That would explain the higher shot size. That's fair comment then, in which case I stand corrected! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) I have shot extensively in the US and a lot of areas similar to this require steel shot to be used. That would explain the higher shot size. Im sure the boxes read lead fella,but ill have a wee check again.Aye,the Winchesters are lead fella.Just a typical walked up day with great sport and the main difference with me is i would use 28g of 7.5s,which would also be frowned upon. Edited January 17, 2012 by sako751sg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 To be fair some of those birds were sporting enough. However, it says no low birds , did anyone notice the bird shot at 9:59? I'm pretty sure there were people in line of that bird and it wasn't too high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 thats there way of doing it fair enough some of the birds were a bit close to be honest, but some good sporting birds were shot as well, and i would defo have a go at that given the chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 its too early to remember dates and names , but in all fairness to our us counterparts , us english gentle men used to shoot pheasants whilst they sat on the floor , it wasnt until king thingymebob went on a shoot to france he saw that it was a lot more fun shooting them in the air . wikipedia is proving a point at the mo and has shut down for 24 hours but this is more indepth . "Practical hand-held firearms arrived on the British scene circa 1500 - we know Henry VIII was an enthusiast - and it seems probable that pheasants and other creatures were shot sitting or perching from this point on. Shakespeare makes reference to "birding" in The Merry Wives of Windsor, first published in 1602, (an allusion that may denote shooting). During the Civil War years game populations were generally depleted by foraging soldiers (armed, as far as their guns were concerned, with heavy matchlock muskets)." Shooting flying is most likely traced to the Restoration, coming to England with Charles II's returning courtiers, who brought lightweight flintlock guns, but did not become really popular until the late 18th century. The first illustration of a shot pheasant in Britain may be found in Blome's Hawking or Faulconry, 1686, but the bird appears to have been killed with the old static shooting technique of gun and stalking horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tignme Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Shot sitting or perched, i have a shooting partner who does this whilst decoying. cause he couldnt hit a flying barn door. He gets good bags,jammy sod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 This style of walked up is typical of most American set-ups. They mostly shoot over pointing dogs and although different to the UK, it's a fairly exciting way to shoot. As far as "wild birds" go, they are mostly not wild - You buy your license at the gun store or from the local plod and it will have a set number of birds that you can tag (same for wildfowl, deer and 'gators). Where pheasant and chukkar are concerned, the County (or whoever the licensing authority are) will then release a set number of birds in their hunting areas appropriate to the number of tags sold - These are mature reared birds. The start of shooting season is really quite spectacular with gazillions of hunters all descending on the same area at the same time (Same goes for public trout/salmon fishing where you have to moderate your cast to avoid hitting the guy 5ft away from you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 For me some of those shots are unsporting because of the close range. I dont have any problem with walked up game being shot going away having being flushed but some distance is needed for it to be sporting. Also nice to see semi`s being used, some were using 3 shots but i would prefer to see them use just 2 at a time and also it isnt such a bad idea to have some of the flourescant orange, personally it wouldnt be so terrible to see beaters over here using it occasionally. Strange how they only shoot the c0cks but all shout "rooster" when they get up ! And one hell of alot of birds there also ! Anyone know why they favour the 20 and 28 bore over the 12 ? I thought for the americans the bigger the better ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Yup, the cocks are all called roosters and think they use 20's as they are just better suited for the range. Have only ever borrowed a gun in the US and have always been given a 12 for clays and a 20 for walked up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 This is GRIM - no wonder discerning American shooters come to the British Isles for their sport. It is one thing to have an informal walk-up pottering around the hedges, ditches & spinneys with a few friends, but this is on an industrial scale and scores zero on the sporting scale..... Each to their own but it is not for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Did you see the cartridges being used? Winchester double X 46gram 4's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Just had a look at there web site 3 days shooting 4 nights lodging works out about £1500 not bad compared to rip off Britain at about £1000 for a days driven shooting at some snoby shoot where you are lucky to have a shot at 20 birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Did you see the cartridges being used? Winchester double X 46gram 4's! Well spotted - you could not make it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Well spotted - you could not make it up! Also a few really fat dogs did like the converted shooting school bus though :lol: Edited January 18, 2012 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Also a few really fat dogs did like the converted shooting school bus though :lol: Fat dogs = not much work to do! Yes the school bus makes a change from the normal fleet of Range Rovers or the ex army truck..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 For me some of those shots are unsporting because of the close range. To be fair, a sporting shot would be dependant on the guns ability would it not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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