Fox takes crying baby.

[chrispti]

 

Here is what happens when people feed foxes. They become tame enough to lose their fear of humans. This time it is not a real baby. It is a dead piglet, dressed in a baby-grow''

Edited January 29, 2012 by chrispti

[poontang]

What a crock of ****.

 

If you strap a dead pig to a pushbike and leave it in a garden with a fox it'll have it away in no time.

 

Doesn't mean cyclists are at risk from the local fox population.

 

A cheap attempt at demonising the fox in my opinion.

[CZ550Kevlar]

i find it hard to recall a bigger crock of manure. what reality to these Muppets live in?

[chrispti]

What a crock of ****.

 

If you strap a dead pig to a pushbike and leave it in a garden with a fox it'll have it away in no time.

 

Doesn't mean cyclists are at risk from the local fox population.

 

A cheap attempt at demonising the fox in my opinion.

 

Thats what I first thought, untill I read the accompanying literature.......

 

 

 

Here is what happens when people feed foxes. They become tame enough to lose their fear of humans. This time it is not a real baby. It is a dead piglet, dressed in a baby-grow.

'Dave' is a pest controller from South London. A homeowner and a grandfather of two baby granddaughters, he has become increasingly worried about the number of foxes who visit his garden.

Well versed in fox control, Dave decided to conduct an experiment. He put a buggy in his garden one evening, put a dead piglet in it wearing baby clothes and played the sound of a baby crying through an MP3 player. He borrowed a friend's video camera to film whatever happened. Then he sat in a room with a view of the garden and waited.

The first piglet lasted an hour. Several foxes came to look at it. The outside light came on but that did not put them off. Then one of them reached forward and grabbed it. At that point, the outside light went out and, shortly afterwards, the battery in the borrowed camera died. Dave switched to his own video camera, put out another dead piglet dressed in another set of baby clothes, and waited some more.

This time, a fox grabbed the 'baby' under the light. It urinated on its kill then pulled off the baby-grow and discarded it.

This remarkable footage is the subject of a film by online TV channel Fieldsports Channel www.fieldsportschannel.tv.

Dave does not want to be named or interviewed even anonymously. Anti-hunting people have recently issued death threats to people who appear on Fieldsports Channel and Dave does not want that to happen to him.

Fieldsports Channel presenter Charlie Jacoby says: "These foxes are well-fed, mature animals that are clearly dining off dogfood put out by some of Dave's neighbours.

"We are showing this film not because we are trying to monster foxes but because we are trying to monster the people who regularly feed foxes. There are people who believe in a Fantastic Mr Foxy Loxy fantasy and think they can be best woodland friends with foxes. These are wild animals. Feed them and it makes them brave enough to attack you. And that is not their fault - it is your fault."

"This time it was a fake baby. Next time it could be the real thing."

Pest controllers commonly use recordings of a rabbit squealing to attract foxes by. These do sound remarkably like a baby crying. "Some experts thought the twins we attacked by a fox attracted by the smell of their nappies," says Charlie Jacoby. "We believe it might be sound as well as smell."

Dave says that in total, a dozen foxes visited his garden that night. Two of them had a fight. The one that took the second piglet is a mature vixen of two-three years old.

[bullet1747]

What a crock of ****.

 

If you strap a dead pig to a pushbike and leave it in a garden with a fox it'll have it away in no time.

 

Doesn't mean cyclists are at risk from the local fox population.

 

A cheap attempt at demonising the fox in my opinion.

my m8 said the 5 words just like that and got banned for 3 months be carefull m8

[artschool]

What a crock of ****.

 

If you strap a dead pig to a pushbike and leave it in a garden with a fox it'll have it away in no time.

 

Doesn't mean cyclists are at risk from the local fox population.

 

A cheap attempt at demonising the fox in my opinion.

 

ummm. how is it a crock?

 

tell me what you think would happen if a child was left in a garden like that? would the fox read a real baby a bedtime story?

[decoying mad]

ummm. how is it a crock?

 

tell me what you think would happen if a child was left in a garden like that? would the fox read a real baby a bedtime story?

 

one way to find out :lol:

[poontang]

Thats what I first thought, untill I read the accompanying literature.......

 

 

 

Here is what happens when people feed foxes. They become tame enough to lose their fear of humans. This time it is not a real baby. It is a dead piglet, dressed in a baby-grow.

'Dave' is a pest controller from South London. A homeowner and a grandfather of two baby granddaughters, he has become increasingly worried about the number of foxes who visit his garden.

Well versed in fox control, Dave decided to conduct an experiment. He put a buggy in his garden one evening, put a dead piglet in it wearing baby clothes and played the sound of a baby crying through an MP3 player. He borrowed a friend's video camera to film whatever happened. Then he sat in a room with a view of the garden and waited.

The first piglet lasted an hour. Several foxes came to look at it. The outside light came on but that did not put them off. Then one of them reached forward and grabbed it. At that point, the outside light went out and, shortly afterwards, the battery in the borrowed camera died. Dave switched to his own video camera, put out another dead piglet dressed in another set of baby clothes, and waited some more.

This time, a fox grabbed the 'baby' under the light. It urinated on its kill then pulled off the baby-grow and discarded it.

This remarkable footage is the subject of a film by online TV channel Fieldsports Channel www.fieldsportschannel.tv.

Dave does not want to be named or interviewed even anonymously. Anti-hunting people have recently issued death threats to people who appear on Fieldsports Channel and Dave does not want that to happen to him.

Fieldsports Channel presenter Charlie Jacoby says: "These foxes are well-fed, mature animals that are clearly dining off dogfood put out by some of Dave's neighbours.

"We are showing this film not because we are trying to monster foxes but because we are trying to monster the people who regularly feed foxes. There are people who believe in a Fantastic Mr Foxy Loxy fantasy and think they can be best woodland friends with foxes. These are wild animals. Feed them and it makes them brave enough to attack you. And that is not their fault - it is your fault."

"This time it was a fake baby. Next time it could be the real thing."

Pest controllers commonly use recordings of a rabbit squealing to attract foxes by. These do sound remarkably like a baby crying. "Some experts thought the twins we attacked by a fox attracted by the smell of their nappies," says Charlie Jacoby. "We believe it might be sound as well as smell."

Dave says that in total, a dozen foxes visited his garden that night. Two of them had a fight. The one that took the second piglet is a mature vixen of two-three years old.

 

That just makes it worse imo.

 

If you put a dog in the garden it would take the meat, and probably quicker than the fox.

 

"This time it was a fake baby. Next time it could be the real thing." Well I suppose there's always that possibility but who in their right mind would leave a crying infant alone for over an hour in a fox infested garden? Indeed who would leave a child alone with their family pooch for any length of time?

 

It doesn't prove anything we don't already know. The fox is an opportunist, and like any animal will take the easiest option to feed. Leaving a dead pig, and playing what in essence is a distress call, was only going to end up one way.

[poontang]

ummm. how is it a crock?

 

tell me what you think would happen if a child was left in a garden like that? would the fox read a real baby a bedtime story?

 

Yes, very good.

 

However I wouldn't leave a crying child alone in a garden, knowing full well foxes were using it on a regular basis.

[chrispti]

Leaving a dead pig, and playing what in essence is a distress call, was only going to end up one way.

 

I agree

 

I also see the point they are trying to put across.

[Asa Bear]

We used to leave both of our kids wrapped up in their prams in the back garden but only with Louis the flatcoat looking after them. If it's an easy meal a fox will take it.

[artschool]

Yes, very good.

 

However I wouldn't leave a crying child alone in a garden, knowing full well foxes were using it on a regular basis.

 

you might not, but there have been a few examples in London of parents who haven't been as sensible.

 

if one dolt sees the film and thinks twice about feeding foxes like they are pets or decides to close ground floor windows when there are children sleeping, hen it's job done

[Frenchieboy]

That just makes it worse imo.

 

If you put a dog in the garden it would take the meat, and probably quicker than the fox.

 

"This time it was a fake baby. Next time it could be the real thing." Well I suppose there's always that possibility but who in their right mind would leave a crying infant alone for over an hour in a fox infested garden? Indeed who would leave a child alone with their family pooch for any length of time?

 

It doesn't prove anything we don't already know. The fox is an opportunist, and like any animal will take the easiest option to feed. Leaving a dead pig, and playing what in essence is a distress call, was only going to end up one way.

Before this is dismissed as "A crock of ****" why not cast your mind back to 7th June 2010 when a fox actually entered a house in broad daylight and attacked Isabella and Lola Koupparis - Was that "A crock of ****" too?

OK this video only uses a dead piglet but the example that I have given shows just how real the threat could be with these foxes that people are feeding and as such taking away their natural fear of humans!

[FalconFN]

Biggest load of nonsense I've seen - if you filled a baby-grow full of hay and left it in a stable I'm pretty sure that too would be 'taken'. I think it's important to remember that a crying baby smells of talc and poop, but a dead piglet smells of pork.

 

I'm not saying that a fox won't take a baby given the opportunity - it may, it may not - but you can't do an 'experiment' like that and claim that they will.

 

Edited for bad spelimg.

Edited January 29, 2012 by FalconFN

[Fatcatsplat]

Daft as a Basil Brush - Absolutely pointless and sensationalist rubbish.

 

Regardless of the fact that a caller or tape was playing - It's a pig in a blanket. Unsupervised, my lab would have had that on its toes in 10 minutes (which is why we leave roasting joints at the very back of the kitchen counter now).

 

Simple entrapment - Bit like leaving a packet of Bensons in front of someone giving up the fags, or a beer in front of an alcoholic.

[Scully]

Dress pork in anything and it will attract all manner of vermin,as will a babies soiled nappy and crying/sounds of distress.

Perhaps Dave should consider a change of occupation....so many foxes visiting his garden!

[lee-kinsman]

It doesn't prove anything we don't already know. The fox is an opportunist, and like any animal will take the easiest option to feed. Leaving a dead pig, and playing what in essence is a distress call, was only going to end up one way.

 

Foxes are more than opportunist, wild animals don't survive by chance of opportunity they are calulated and intelligent. However I do think that the experiment is unfair unless of course you are familiar with babies that smell like piglets. In my opinion we need no more evidence than the attacks that have already happened to people and babies. Neither do we have to justify our reasons for shooting foxes.

[bedwards1966]

Wow, what an eye opener. Who'd have thought an animal that has to survive alone in the wild would take a dead animal dressed up as a baby, with sounds to help attract them to it...

 

It's obvious, and any babies taken by foxes are as a result of the parents who are thick enough to leave their precious kids in harm way. Leave a baby in a garden, or with the house door open, and of course there is a danger of a fox taking it. There is also a possibly greater danger of a nasty dog harming it too.

[39TDS]

Well I for one won't be leaving my dead piglets wrapped in baby clothes in my garden any more.

I honestly didn't realise they could be at such risk.

Then again, up to now I have always left my 2 month old daughter there to guard them.

[Traztaz]

Strange, as I did not see it TAKE anything, pulled the pig in a blanket off the pram, undressed it , sniffed the pram , then mouthed the lead thing................ seemed quite tame to me.

[lee-kinsman]

It's obvious, and any babies taken by foxes are as a result of the parents who are thick enough to leave their precious kids in harm way. Leave a baby in a garden, or with the house door open, and of course there is a danger of a fox taking it. There is also a possibly greater danger of a nasty dog harming it too.

 

I think thats a bit harsh mate, I don't think the parents are thick or neglecting in any way if a fox enters a house and attacks a child. Why would it be obvious.... **** if it was that obvious why didn't you speak up a few years ago before those little baby twins were mauled.

People shouldn't be encouraging foxes into their gardens, especially in urban areas. It is th people who encourage foxes into there gardens who are increasing the chances of fox attacks.

Edited January 29, 2012 by lee-kinsman

[harry flashman]

Hasn't that fox just been taught that the noisy things in pushchairs are actually tasty piglets?

[BRAD1927]

yet again another thread being ripped apart!!!

 

The humble fox is a wild animal that lives generally in open spaces, it is us as humans that have encouraged these creatures into the towns, villages and cities.

 

We build house after house on green land (fox territory) then we leave 3 coarse meals in black bags outside for cats, dogs, and foxes to help themselves.

 

its a free restaurant for these creatures and plenty of places to hide and sleep it off.

 

Unfortunatley your right these creatures do need to be controlled but what I think is that we give them the easy opportunity then moan when they take it.

 

putting 5000 pheasants in a field/woodland then holding them is just asking for trouble. I have shot foxes in the past and have seen first hand the damage these creatures can do but we as humans must take responsibility for our greed.

 

Anyway as for stealing piglets dressed as babies I'm sorry but any responsible adult who leaves a crying baby unattended smelling of bacon is a fool.

 

I do remember the kids who were mauled by a rogue fox and feel for them and their parents I also remember the press band wagon that people jumped on but how many more have you hear'd of since???

 

yet again another thread being ripped apart!!!

 

The humble fox is a wild animal that lives generally in open spaces, it is us as humans that have encouraged these creatures into the towns, villages and cities.

 

We build house after house on green land (fox territory) then we leave 3 coarse meals in black bags outside for cats, dogs, and foxes to help themselves.

 

its a free restaurant for these creatures and plenty of places to hide and sleep it off.

 

Unfortunatley your right these creatures do need to be controlled but what I think is that we give them the easy opportunity then moan when they take it.

 

putting 5000 pheasants in a field/woodland then holding them is just asking for trouble. I have shot foxes in the past and have seen first hand the damage these creatures can do but we as humans must take responsibility for our greed.

 

Anyway as for stealing piglets dressed as babies I'm sorry but any responsible adult who leaves a crying baby unattended smelling of bacon is a fool.

 

I do remember the kids who were mauled by a rogue fox and feel for them and their parents I also remember the press band wagon that people jumped on but how many more have you hear'd of since???

[chrispti]

Hasn't that fox just been taught that the noisy things in pushchairs are actually tasty piglets?

 

Good point

[poontang]

Foxes are more than opportunist, wild animals don't survive by chance of opportunity they are calulated and intelligent. However I do think that the experiment is unfair unless of course you are familiar with babies that smell like piglets. In my opinion we need no more evidence than the attacks that have already happened to people and babies. Neither do we have to justify our reasons for shooting foxes.

 

I'm not saying foxes aren't calculating and intelligent, but give it the option of an easy meal and it will take it. No different to any hungry animal, including man.

 

Neither was I asking you to justify your reasons for shooting foxes, although I suspect the video was doing just that.

 

Frenchieboy, I'm well aware of the attack on the twins in London. However, there are very few documented cases of fox attacking humans, so I would ask what exactly was the point of the video?