HDAV Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 There are inconsiderate people out there some have shotguns, some are semi users others SxS only time I have been concerned about safety at a clay shoot was a semi shooter ( not because it was a semi but because he and his "mates" we're unsafe ) I have also had a guy with an escort marine pump walk towards me barrel first . The semi being banned/unsafe argument is counter productive to the OP. more important that the gun fits you know how to handle it safely and enjoy shooting it than anything else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Winterwolf and sitsinhedges as the above thread has said, us commenting on what you think of me , where i shoot and what ive said is not really helping the original op question , so im more than happy to carry on with it by pm , over the phone or meeting you for a round of clays at the ground in question and you can then see that im not actually how you made me out to be and there was a genuine reason why semi autos was banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted February 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I have never shot a auto but have held one at local shop. It was a beretta. Auto tenky I felt it was very heavy is it me or are beretta guns heavy? Winchester felt a lot lighter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzthompson Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I prefer the feel and weight distribution of my beretta SP for clays and feel im better, but enjoy the Escort more... Not sure why. I bring both and shoot whatever i fancy at the stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Auto's haven't been banned and if a club exists that wont let you use one you have to wonder if that club is worth frequenting in the first place. The reality is that no-one gives autos a second glance at any clay club worth bothering with so don't worry yourself about it. I'm afraid I have to disagree: I definitely do give semi-autos a second glance at the clay grounds I frequent. The reason is that, unless they have an orange plastic block or other highly visible insert in the loading port - and by no means all of their owners bother with this feature - you simply cannot be sure that they are safe - unlike other, broken guns. Who knows - and at times that must include many of their owners - whether there is still a live cartridge in them or not? And I'm afraid that the owners of semi-autos seem to include a percentage who are rather casual in their safety habits, notably, if they swing the barrel around as they approach or leave stands. Put the two together and I sometimes feel very uneasy as a bystander. That is not to say that some owners of non-semis may not also be rather lax in the way they point their guns when broken, but at least they are broken or someone will very quickly insist they should be. I really don't see the point of semis for clays at least, apart perhaps for the sake of less recoil, but then there are other ways of dealing with recoil if it is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I'm afraid I have to disagree: I definitely do give semi-autos a second glance at the clay grounds I frequent. The reason is that, unless they have an orange plastic block or other highly visible insert in the loading port - and by no means all of their owners bother with this feature - you simply cannot be sure that they are safe - unlike other, broken guns. Who knows - and at times that must include many of their owners - whether there is still a live cartridge in them or not? And I'm afraid that the owners of semi-autos seem to include a percentage who are rather casual in their safety habits, notably, if they swing the barrel around as they approach or leave stands. Put the two together and I sometimes feel very uneasy as a bystander. That is not to say that some owners of non-semis may not also be rather lax in the way they point their guns when broken, but at least they are broken or someone will very quickly insist they should be. I really don't see the point of semis for clays at least, apart perhaps for the sake of less recoil, but then there are other ways of dealing with recoil if it is a problem. I am not bothered in any way at all by what type of gun is used at a clay shoot, it's the person who is inherently unsafe no matter what they use. I shoot both types, my Blaser is a beautiful gun to shoot but I can shoot my 391 for longer periods of time. I have shot autos for thirty years and the only type of shooting that others do not like them is when using them for trapshooting. I have never been told by any shooting ground in the North of England that I cannot use an auto. Cumbrian...you might have to start watching your back now and make sure that you are a safe shot, because I will soon tell anyone if they are not. We might bump into one another sometime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltese Falcon Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I have never shot a auto but have held one at local shop. It was a beretta. Auto tenky I felt it was very heavy is it me or are beretta guns heavy? Winchester felt a lot lighter I own two beretta semi autos the AL 391 Teknys Sporter and the AL 391 urika game. The one you held must be the Teknys sporter as it weighs nearly as my O/U sporter. The teknys sporter has also a recoil reducer in the stock which makes it feel heavier than the al 391 game. So it is not you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Yes that's right it was the sporter the al391 See how they feel at the show again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I am not bothered in any way at all by what type of gun is used at a clay shoot, it's the person who is inherently unsafe no matter what they use. I shoot both types, my Blaser is a beautiful gun to shoot but I can shoot my 391 for longer periods of time. I have shot autos for thirty years and the only type of shooting that others do not like them is when using them for trapshooting. I have never been told by any shooting ground in the North of England that I cannot use an auto. Cumbrian...you might have to start watching your back now and make sure that you are a safe shot, because I will soon tell anyone if they are not. We might bump into one another sometime Thank you. Was your last paragraph really necessary or helpful? In any case I doubt we will meet at a clay shoot because my 'name' refers to my family origins (or some of them) and my sentimental ties. I shoot clays many miles from the borders of Cumberland and Westmoreland, as they were and still ought to be known. More importantly, you have not really addressed the points I made about the inherent safety problems that go with a three shot semi-auto or whether any one really needs a three shot facility when shooting clays. They exist in addition to the question of whether the wielder of the gun is by nature a safe shot. Safety is paramount in any training course for any type of firearms. Have you taken one lately? I am currently studying for my RCO certificate, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Cumbrian, I do not have a problem with three shot semis at a clay shoot as only two cartridges must be loaded. I know there was a debate on here a while ago about some "shooters" loading three cartridges at a clay shoot. I am against this practise simply because clay shoots are normally only shot with a gun capable of holding two cartridges, but some people seem to think they can do what they like. Most semis sold today hold three cartridges, that's just how it is. Regarding the RCO course I qualified in 1995 when pistols were allowed and I do agree that safety is paramount when using any type of gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandbank Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Cumbrian and BlaserF3, you have both very postively established your safe-shooting credentials and I would feel completely safe to shoot with either of you. Hopefully the O/P has not been too deterred from semi-autos. I have been shooting, in some form or other, for about 50 years and am happy to note I have experienced very few cases of unsafe behaviour. Where this has happened it has generally been a result of inexperience. Prompt advice has usually avoided repetition. I have never observed anyone loading more than two shells into a semi on organised clay shoots. They would certainly be immediately 'brought to task' on the grounds I use. Just one note of caution that may be worth adding. Those in possesion of 5-shot autos on Section 1 may be in breach of the law on many clay grounds even if behaving totally responsibly and loading only two shells. P.S. I was also an R.O.; on an out-door pistol range back in the 80's. Etiquette was very tightly observed in that environment. Edited February 7, 2012 by Sandbank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I am not put off buy auto Just never shot one all my friends have o/u so was looking at them but with my research I have seen some realy nice autos and they are slightly cheaper. I just want the best gun for the price I can afford :) What is a ro? Or rco course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm curious as to why they were banned? It dos,nt help when semi auto users leave all there empties all over the ground,myself and my mates who use autos,carry magnetic pick up tools and pick up as we go along it saves the titty lip off the owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 It's interesting to see, that as I write this, some 43% prefer the Semis. But I seem to remember seeing an article somewhere last year, that only 10% of shotgun sales are Semis, does anyone have any industry figures for % sales by type in the UK market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Lots of O/U users eject their carts straight over their shoulders.Even dirty looks and comments like,"we'll get those for you" don't register! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) I am not put off buy auto Just never shot one all my friends have o/u so was looking at them but with my research I have seen some realy nice autos and they are slightly cheaper. I just want the best gun for the price I can afford :) What is a ro? Or rco course This is what a Range Conducting Officer is expected to know all the rules regarding the discipline they are qualified for and be in complete charge of a range, it does not apply when using a conventional shotgun. http://psa.bizhosting.com/SSS.htm This is an abbreviated version as I cannot download one from the NRA. A pass is not guaranteed. Edited February 7, 2012 by BlaserF3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Lots of O/U users eject their carts straight over their shoulders.Even dirty looks and comments like,"we'll get those for you" don't register! Had that this morning, three old duffers ejecting their spent cases onto the floor rather than just putting them in the bin like everyone else. I did have the thought to get one stand in front and empty the whole bin inside the cage just to see how they liked it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewj Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Lots of O/U users eject their carts straight over their shoulders.Even dirty looks and comments like,"we'll get those for you" don't register! yep i know what you mean, people who struggle to tidy up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Hi. After my first gun. I was looking at O/U, but after visiting various shops and a million websites I have started thinking about semi auto's! and now a bit confused! what would you shoot Clays with and why? jamie If you have a sgc insurance and are local you can try my auto,o/u,sxs and see what you think. Im in north wales but also in blackburn area every now and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted February 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 That is very kind of you but I live in leicester And waiting for sgc to come should be in 3 weeks the feo said. But thank you very kind of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 That is very kind of you but I live in leicester And waiting for sgc to come should be in 3 weeks the feo said. But thank you very kind of you No probs. Maybe someone else closer could offer the same.I would go for a o/u 28" sporter multi choke steel proof 3"chamber this type of gun are cheap and availible on the second hand market and would cover all the tasks you could ask of it,well imo that what i would of started with. Good luck and happy shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted February 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Thanks that's my first choice but Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyotemaster Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I shoot both but voted semi because that's the gun I reach for if shooting high volume. For an upland hunt the o/u gets the nod as it is light and fast swinging. Also with no birds here the recoil is of no consequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I shoot both but I tend to favour the semi more than the o/u. If I'm at the clay ground with a semi-auto I only ever load 2 shots (not seen it posted up as a rule), and I do sleeve the gun as soon as I leave the cage. I've noticed a few people getting jumpy at the sight of a semi-auto and this makes it easier to carry safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APPLE Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 I say semi auto for me carnt get away with a o/u.shoot with my semi today and never shot so good. dam you o/u been haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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