archiebald Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Hi all today I have had my visit from a firearms licensing enquiry officer for my FAC airgun application. My gun safe and security is fine, and the interview the went well. I have allready had my shotgun certificate for a few years and have been using sub 12 airguns for years too, but for my application to be complete I must have a FAC holder vouch for me in that I am a safe and responsible shooter. I have a fair bit of experience with .22 LR from when I used to shoot with my shooting partner before he passed away, who was happy to vouch for me when we talked about me applying for FAC air. Since he sadly passed away I dont know any FAC holders who could do this for me now. During the interview I explained all this to the licensing officer and he said if another FAC holder could take me out and then vouch if in there opinion I am safe and responsible then this would rectify the situation and my certificate would be granted, I am a reasonably new pw member but now comes the cheeky part ... Is there anyone who could help me overcome this stumbling block? if someone could take me out I would massively appriciate this and would pay for rounds (or pellets if FAC air) and use my car or pay fuel ect. and if theres anything I could do in return (few beers or an odd job ect.) I would do no problem! I live in west yorkshire and drive so I am willing to travel a fair distance to anyone who is able to help me with this, its a bit of a long shot I know but if it helps me with my application then its well worth a try many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Where on Earth has this requirement come from? Best of luck with it, I am a bit far away to help out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 never heard of that one,phone basc, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebald Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Where on Earth has this requirement come from? Best of luck with it, I am a bit far away to help out. hi there 39TDS im not fully in the know, but it seems FAC air is treated the same as any other FAC rifle, so i am happy to comply if thats whats necicery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 It's a mentoring condition. quite common, I have had to vouch for someone before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) It's common though I've never heard of it for air rifles, but I know a couple of people in West Yorkshire that needed somebody to recommend them to get a .22. I expect someone local will be able to help you without travelling too far - where in West Yorkshire are you? Edited April 12, 2012 by bedwards1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebald Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 It's a mentoring condition. quite common, I have had to vouch for someone before. Hi artschool, thats what he mentioned. The FLO said as I have have experience using a .22 lr before with my friend he said one outing would be fine It's common though I've never heard of it for air rifles, but I know a couple of people in West Yorkshire that needed somebody to recommend them to get a .22. I expect someone local will be able to help you without travelling too far - where in West Yorkshire are you? Hi bedwards1966 im in Morley, Leeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maidment78 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 For fac do you not need land to shoot over? If you want a bit of help just say you will be happy to have them shoot over your land not theirs for a day or two in return, that way you are exchanging something at the same time. Just a thought,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebald Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) For fac do you not need land to shoot over? If you want a bit of help just say you will be happy to have them shoot over your land not theirs for a day or two in return, that way you are exchanging something at the same time. Just a thought,,,, im sure that would not be a problem, but the land is been checked soon. the land would be fine for this im sure pending someone with an open FAC I think? Edited April 12, 2012 by archiebald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) if you can get over to goole area ill sort you out fella simples and iv got open ticket now your sorted Edited April 12, 2012 by swiss.tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) just spoke to russ91 he says he will take you under his wing so you now have a choice of 2 of us take your pick he said pm him he lives leeds next to you Edited April 12, 2012 by swiss.tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus69 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Russ91 is a good lad (I've shot with him) and probabaly the closest to you but I'll stick my hand up too mate, open ticket from Wakefield. Mike... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebald Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 thank you so much for the kind replies! i am so pleased and cannot believe the kindness shown to me on this forum. i will send a pm to you guys that have offerd your greatly appriciated help!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 and im half an hours drive away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robborobbo Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Strange. This happened to me today, got a call from my FEO asking for someone to vouch for me. Gutted as I don't know any rifle shooters...... I have also posted a thread in relation to the same issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebald Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 cheers guys all sorted now, thanks to swiss.tony top man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rec-baller Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 i am a mentor to a fella for his .22 Hornet, he is on an open ticket but still needs me to take his Hornet out , seems to be a re-occuring thing with F.E>o,s now this mentoring shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edge007 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Where on Earth has this requirement come from? Best of luck with it, I am a bit far away to help out. I had to do the same with West Yorkshire police - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 i am a mentor to a fella for his .22 Hornet, he is on an open ticket but still needs me to take his Hornet out , seems to be a re-occuring thing with F.E>o,s now this mentoring shaun That is a strange one, an open ticket but still needs a mentor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Oi - there's too much kindness going on 'ere so I'm not going to offer any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne t Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) HI mate sent you a mess i am in morley too and have a open ticket would be happy to help Edited April 13, 2012 by wayne t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 I can help out in Wakefield although technically speaking they have told you to break the law? It might be my imagination but over land you can only use the landowners or lesse'e firearm in their presence? Occupiers or servant of occupiers rifle. It was worded like that in the 1988 Act in order that Douglass Hogg could carry on his previous unlawful activity of shooting deer at his mates land. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Strange. This happened to me today, got a call from my FEO asking for someone to vouch for me. Gutted as I don't know any rifle shooters...... I have also posted a thread in relation to the same issue. Join SACS and phone the office 01698 885206 we will soon get you sorted but remember WEEGIES RULE :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar306 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I am sadly in the same position and need someone who is prepared to vouch that I am a safe and competent shot in order to gain my FAC for a .22LR, My "Mentor" would need to send a letter to the FEO stating that he had assessed me on several occasions whilst hunting and that without prompting I could distinguish between a safe and unsafe shot. Also that I had shot X amount of rabbits on these shooting forays. I believe that I can accompany my mentor and use his rifle for him to make this judgement, then I could gain my FAC without restriction. Obviously I am looking for someone nearby and would of course meet any costs incurred etc. So anyone around the Bicester area of Oxfordshire willing to help, then please get in touch Regards John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Am I reading this right. Applicants being required to go through mentoring BEFORE they are granted a fac. This is becoming quite ridiculous. I can just about stomach mentoring conditions, following grant, in exceptional situations but before grant is ludicrous. Easy for me to say but I would tell them no way, process my application as it stands. The police have no basis in law to insist on such nonsense. This needs reporting to BASC, CA, SACS and the NGO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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