dannywayoflife Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I bought my cabinet as a 5 gun i think. its a g&c one and my feo put me down as been able to put 9 in it. I will buy a 2 gun break down soon though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 New broom, I think. Maybe not Firearms friendly . The good thing the law is on my side , so there is nothing they can do, I will listen and nod my head, and if what they ask for is reasonable I will do it, no need to alienate anyone. I will let you know what is said after tomorrows visit. I had my visit, and all went well. The reason for the visit, was solely because I had more than 10 shotguns, so others in the Herts area prepare yourself for a visit. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 where does it say there is a "official capacity"? would love to have that chat. I have a 3 gun cabinet with: 3 centrefires rifles 1 rimfire rifle ( 3spare barrels) 1 shotgun and if I am feeling particularly security concious....a pcp air rifle! 3 across the back butt down, 3 across the front muzzle down. all rifles are scoped all bolts in but left open. ******** if I am buying another because some over zealous FEO wants to achieve something by telling me they wont fit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I had my visit, and all went well. The reason for the visit, was solely because I had more than 10 shotguns, so others in the Herts area prepare yourself for a visit. Terry Why did that qualify you for a visit? To check security? Or What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Security was checked, but he was happy with everything he saw. It is an edict issued by the "New Chief Constable" . My Certificate was renewed only 2 years ago, and nothing has changed number wise since then. I was informed that I am on the "Radar" should I obtain more guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Hmm, good thing i live in Norfolk then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Last renewal they came out to me I have a 5 gun and a 3 gun cabinet thought I still had my 7 shotguns 3 I looked after for my farther inlaw a mates 2 my 22 my 2 stalking rifles and the 7 guns I was loaned by a clay club to take people to a beginners competion. 22 all up didnt bat an eye lid when I showed him the letters/emails to show him I'd informed him I had returned the loaned guns in 4 trances and sold a rifle and had had a 1 for 1 variation a month before my renewal. But my renewal only took a week for both SGC and FAC and my wife's SGC came back within 3 days a month later as he had combined the visits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Last renewal they came out to me I have a 5 gun and a 3 gun cabinet thought I still had my 7 shotguns 3 I looked after for my farther inlaw a mates 2 my 22 my 2 stalking rifles and the 7 guns I was loaned by a clay club to take people to a beginners competion. 22 all up didnt bat an eye lid when I showed him the letters/emails to show him I'd informed him I had returned the loaned guns in 4 trances and sold a rifle and had had a 1 for 1 variation a month before my renewal. But my renewal only took a week for both SGC and FAC and my wife's SGC came back within 3 days a month later as he had combined the visits. Had dealings with your FEO and check this out A mate of mine tried keeping his shotgun in the unit armoury,the Feo tried insisting the arms storeman was a SGC holder to receive/issue the shotgun even though he holds 130 service rifles in there :o think it depends on what day/mood you catch them in :o ie, some of them make it up as they go along and try to get away with it BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Had dealings with your FEO and check this out A mate of mine tried keeping his shotgun in the unit armoury,the Feo tried insisting the arms storeman was a SGC holder to receive/issue the shotgun even though he holds 130 service rifles in there :o think it depends on what day/mood you catch them in :o ie, some of them make it up as they go along and try to get away with it BB Yes he had that conversation with me as well while I still had guns in the Chester armoury and wanted it inspected to ensure it was secure enough for my 1 shotgun every now and then!!!! He has his moments don't they all??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) Yes he had that conversation with me as well while I still had guns in the Chester armoury and wanted it inspected to ensure it was secure enough for my 1 shotgun every now and then!!!! He has his moments don't they all??? All rifles secured in racks with bars Armoury door secured and alarmed at all times Controlled access,usually to 2-3 people Keys to armoury door held in blister safe,and a signature required everytime they are needed 24/7 security on the camp,limited access Yep your right they all have there moments :lol: BB The military all work from the same song-sheet with regards to storing/securing arms-ammunition its a pity the FEO"s dont have one set of rules covering the whole country it might make things simpler for everyone Edited May 23, 2012 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I know I think a trigger lock would have helped my case as if it had been stolen instead of the service rifles machine guns mortars or anti tank launchers near it would of taken 30 seconds longer to break the trigger lock off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Security was checked, but he was happy with everything he saw. It is an edict issued by the "New Chief Constable" . My Certificate was renewed only 2 years ago, and nothing has changed number wise since then. I was informed that I am on the "Radar" should I obtain more guns. You should have asked if they had any forms with them for a variation. Dare you to ask for another half dozen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 i know someone who does not have a cabinet at all. he is a retired policeman. He has a bowa snake lock through the trigger guard.(like a lot of shops) House has no dogs or active alarm. Has window locks. He just has a normal section 2cert. I myself have a bratton sound cabinet and i like to know there locked up. I think if the doors shuts its fine. firearms may be different but in suffolk if there locked up thats ok.(shotguns) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I have a 5 shotgun, glos FLO came to look and siad 7 would be fine. little did she know that i wanted 5 rifles and 2 shotguns in it..hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 i know someone who does not have a cabinet at all. he is a retired policeman. He has a bowa snake lock through the trigger guard.(like a lot of shops) House has no dogs or active alarm. Has window locks. He just has a normal section 2cert. I hope the trigger gaurd is attached by more than a screw or 2!!!! Gun clamps can be accepted for a single gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Had dealings with your FEO and check this out A mate of mine tried keeping his shotgun in the unit armoury,the Feo tried insisting the arms storeman was a SGC holder to receive/issue the shotgun even though he holds 130 service rifles in there :o think it depends on what day/mood you catch them in :o ie, some of them make it up as they go along and try to get away with it BB Actually service personnel are covered by an entirely different set of rules. The storeman / armourer isn't an FAC holder either but its not the first time I have heard of such things. Coming back to the cabinets issue. Theoretically when they inspect your house they are doing a risk assesment. So theoretically when you exceed the capacity of your cabinet you are exceeding the risk assesment. This sort of thing is a jobsworth's delight. Unfortunatly there are those who do delight in such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 I was told yesterday that some Sir/Lord or something has just been prosecuted for not having his guns in a safe. He kept one in the kitchen and one in his bedroom so he could shoot foxes through the window!! If its not a legal requirement then how does that work Just asking! GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 I was told yesterday that some Sir/Lord or something has just been prosecuted for not having his guns in a safe. He kept one in the kitchen and one in his bedroom so he could shoot foxes through the window!! If its not a legal requirement then how does that work Just asking! GH the legal requirement is that a non certificate holder cant have access to them......i suppose if he lived alone and had no staff then he should have been OK.....but with his missus and family having access and perhaps also the butler, driver, gardener and cook etc.....too many with access. I have a 3 gun countryman cabinet.......it has 4 guns in it, mine wear socks in the cabinet except the old battered spanish one, and i rotate them some upright and others downwards to allow them to fit easier and not knock against each other......my FEO hasn't made any mention of the cabinets capacity, and to be honest hasn't even been out to see it in its new place at my new house that i live in now since march...... My mate in london however, he has a 3 gun cabinet and bought my 410 a couple of years ago....his feo was straight on the phone.....you only have a 3 gun cabinet you need to get another.......he managed to persuade them that they all fit and were secure (stacked up and down like mine) .......he actually works for the firearms team now....they had to move his file to another part of london when he got the job. its a joke reading the remarks about military personell being questioned about keeping their shotgun in a military armoury......the thing is though the army is one organisation and so has one working practice the police are individual forces so you have a different working practice in each area.......comparison would be the different ways the air force navy and army work......it shouldn't be like that, I actually feel we should have a national police service like so many other countries have, france etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecash Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 I actually feel we should have a national police service like so many other countries have, france etc.... National Police Service!!!! OMG that would save money - heaven forbid!! the faceless mafia that runs the civil service will be after you compo90 ... wash your mouth out with soap and water !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 I was told yesterday that some Sir/Lord or something has just been prosecuted for not having his guns in a safe. He kept one in the kitchen and one in his bedroom so he could shoot foxes through the window!! If its not a legal requirement then how does that work Just asking! GH He was prosecuted for breaching condition 4 of his SGC and for having in his possession an unlicensed S1 shotgun. A safe is not a legal requirement but condition 4 is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Ah! Ok, thanks . I wasn't in possession of the full facts but now I realise he was definitely in the wrong. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 I actually feel we should have a national police service like so many other countries have, france etc.... National Police Service!!!! OMG that would save money - heaven forbid!! the faceless mafia that runs the civil service will be after you compo90 ... wash your mouth out with soap and water !! yeap it would save millions, and all the cars and uniforms would look the same also......as they would all be bought from one supplier, can you imagine the buying power if you went to a car manufacturer and asked for that contract.....even save money on toilet paper by buying bulk......the whole government should be buying stuff centrally like a big business will do.....sir Phillip Green had that idea a fair while ago re government spending let the faceless mafia come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 I don't actually think the law says you have to have a safe it just say adequate security but that has morphed into "must have a safe" over time. Its only sensible not just because of guns falling into the wrong hands but also because of their value. Most stolen guns never end up being used in crime. They disappear abroad where they are sold. If a burglar breaks into your house he won't touch the gunsafe but he will pass the information on to somebody who will. Chances are a safe will contain at least a thousand pounds worth of guns. Often much much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 I bought a moderated 12g yesterday, cabinet is too full to fit it all in so I've put the stock/action and forend in the cabinet and the barrel is hidden elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Actually service personnel are covered by an entirely different set of rules. The storeman / armourer isn't an FAC holder either but its not the first time I have heard of such things. With regards to what? service personnel come under the same set of rules as anyone else,when it comes to privately owned firearms/shotguns and ive held a SGC and FAC for years and kept my guns within the unit armoury,the feo still needs to check this out as its the location stated on your FAC/SGC The point i was highlighting in my op was that it wasnt necessary(or shoudnt be) for the armourer to be a SGC/FAC holder when he has x amount of service rifles in his charge :o and maybe by the feo asking this question he either is new to the job or very a-n-a-l BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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