bladesman Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 My licence is away for a variation (previous dealings with s yorks indicate it may be a while ). Can i use my photocopied licence to buy some lil gun powder and vmax bullets / small pistol primers for reloads? ...or will i have to wait until its returned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 MY FEO told me to get someone else to buy my ammo/bullets/primers etc for me whilst my ticket was away. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Edited June 22, 2012 by swiss.tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabbers Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Depends on the dealer, one let me phone my licence details through after selling me the stuff face to face. After that he kept my details in his book and never asked again. Don't want to get my head chewed off, but no licence required for lead or cases and debatable whether it is needed for powder and primers, I ask to see one when selling those, but have been told everytime on here it's not required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 My licence is away for a variation (previous dealings with s yorks indicate it may be a while ). Can i use my photocopied licence to buy some lil gun powder and vmax bullets / small pistol primers for reloads? ...or will i have to wait until its returned? You shouldnt need one for Powder/Primers, However you will need one for V-Max bullets as they are required to be enetered on your FAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabbers Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 You shouldnt need one for Powder/Primers, However you will need one for V-Max bullets as they are required to be enetered on your FAC Bullets, not loaded in a cartridge? Would that requirement still apply? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Yes, expanding ammunition and the missiles of such ammunition must be entered on your FAC(England not sure of others) and will count towards your totals on your certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Yes, expanding ammunition and the missiles of such ammunition must be entered on your FAC(England not sure of others) and will count towards your totals on your certificate. They don't get entered on your FAC, but the dealer will keep a record of the sale - he will only sell them to you if you have an FAC conditioned for expanding ammo (in that calibre) Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 They don't get entered on your FAC, but the dealer will keep a record of the sale - he will only sell them to you if you have an FAC conditioned for expanding ammo (in that calibre) Mike Mine did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Yes, expanding ammunition and the missiles of such ammunition must be entered on your FAC(England not sure of others) and will count towards your totals on your certificate. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Expanding missiles should be entered. Primers do need an FAC because of violen crime reduction Act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicehorn Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Expanding missiles should be entered. Primers do need an FAC because of violen crime reduction Act. Yes agreed - that is how my force area dictates to RFDs however, other areas in the UK take a different stance on it and do not require expanding ammo put on the holder's certificate. Its all about interpretation of the law, like some forces will allow 17HMR for fox whilst with others its a no no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstone Posted June 24, 2012 Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 Can't you get a letter from your force saying your current certificate is still valid? That's what happened to me when I sent away for a variation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesman Posted June 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) Expanding missiles should be entered. Primers do need an FAC because of violen crime reduction Act. Went shopping yesterday at Kranks and you are correct. They sold me the powder but wouldnt give me the primers without seeing my 'original' cert. The expanding bullet heads also need entering on my original cert. so i couldnt obtain those either. (Just as an aside, They are a bit short on Lee reloading gear, but kindly offered free postage on the gear i wanted when it comes in) Edited June 24, 2012 by bladesman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 They don't get entered on your FAC, but the dealer will keep a record of the sale - he will only sell them to you if you have an FAC conditioned for expanding ammo (in that calibre) Mike Mine are always entered, always have been. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Its funny mine have rarely been entered and I'm now asked if I would like them to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 OMG some "interesting" advice on this 1) Don't send your original for a variation, absolutely no need. you can swap it when the process is completed if asked to. BASC even wrote about this to highlight it in the latest Shooting and Conservation magazine. 2) don't advise people to buy ammunition for other people, asking for trouble. Technically possible, but the implications of purchasing for immediate resale are severe, especially if you handed them over without the original certificate which prompted the purchase in the first place! 3) All forces count expanding ammo as part of the allocation now. (a relatively recent change) As such the RFD should be entering them on your FAC, otherwise why bother entering live ammo either? if it was just down to their records then none of of it would be required on your FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 On my last renewal my FLO asked if i could justify keeping my .243 as i did not appear to use it. This was an opinion reached by the fact that i did not buy ammo for it and when i showed him the reloading bench he was more than happy with my usage. Since then i always ASK the RFD to add heads to the certificate, no big deal for me and keeps the licencing dept. happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Every dealer and every force has a slightly different interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) On my last renewal my FLO asked if i could justify keeping my .243 as i did not appear to use it. This was an opinion reached by the fact that i did not buy ammo for it and when i showed him the reloading bench he was more than happy with my usage. Since then i always ASK the RFD to add heads to the certificate, no big deal for me and keeps the licencing dept. happy. Always keep the recipts for everything you buy. Not just bullets, primers, powder cases. Edited June 26, 2012 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Depends on the dealer, one let me phone my licence details through after selling me the stuff face to face. After that he kept my details in his book and never asked again. Don't want to get my head chewed off, but no licence required for lead or cases and debatable whether it is needed for powder and primers, I ask to see one when selling those, but have been told everytime on here it's not required. Definitely not needed for brass and non-expanding bullets. You are supposed to show a cert for primers and, technically, expanding bullets should actually be written in on the ammo table but the guidance says it needs not be. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 lack of use is not a justification for them to revoke a rifle. nowhere in any firearms law or guidance is "usage" a requirement for "good reason" you could buy a box of 20 a year, shoot 5 for zeroing and 15 for deer and still shoot more deer than a huge number of "stalkers" from the age of 17 I had a 270 on my FAC that was probably fired 20 times a year for 10 years in exactly this scenario why should they take it away because it is not used as a range whore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 My licence is away for a variation (previous dealings with s yorks indicate it may be a while ). Can i use my photocopied licence to buy some lil gun powder and vmax bullets / small pistol primers for reloads? ...or will i have to wait until its returned? You can buy the powder without an FAC the other bits need a valid FAC, but you can be given them by a mate who has one (bullet heads should go on your FAC) he also needs to be able to possess them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 You can buy the powder without an FAC the other bits need a valid FAC, but you can be given them by a mate who has one (bullet heads should go on your FAC) he also needs to be able to possess them You do not need a cert to possess primers but must produce one to purchase them. They do not need to be written on it. There is no space to do so they can't be. You do not need a cert to purchase brass or bullets which are not designed or adapted to expand. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Also, only expanding bullets will go on ticket, as only expanding bullets are prohibited - any old Joe can buy match bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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