Bleeh Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 You wouldn't think you'd get arrested in the UK for breaking a law of another country (and not breaking a UK law), but it's happening and it's fairly scary. Please take a few minutes to read and if you agree, sign this. http://www.change.org/petitions/ukhomeoffice-stop-the-extradition-of-richard-o-dwyer-to-the-usa-saverichard# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I've signed up. What a strange road we appear to be on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Extradition is only supposed to be for offences common to both countries. Can't stand how easily we extradite people yet other countries stand firm and will not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I can see why Jimmy Wales would have a vested interest in this issue,but I'm a little confused as to whether the student is guilty of copyright infringement or not;the title of the post suggests he is? Don't know what to think of this actually. Are we voting against copyright legislation,which is Jimmy Wales' personel bugbear,or the fact we can be extradited to another country for breach of copyright? I'm not against extradition to any country for crimes committed against that country,but it must work both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I can see why Jimmy Wales would have a vested interest in this issue,but I'm a little confused as to whether the student is guilty of copyright infringement or not;the title of the post suggests he is? Don't know what to think of this actually. Are we voting against copyright legislation,which is Jimmy Wales' personel bugbear,or the fact we can be extradited to another country for breach of copyright? I'm not against extradition to any country for crimes committed against that country,but it must work both ways. I was thinking the same - so wont be signing it - for all we k ow he did commit a copyright infringement and these can cover an item regardless of whether in the US or UK. Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 You think that extradition should apply to alleged copyright infringement? One Country's version of copyright infringement differs from another, and quite substantially. Ripped away from your family, held on remand in another country, made responsible for that cost and subject to another legal system and for what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Didn't Gordon sign that just before he scuttled back up north This says it all http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2166204/Paedophile-Shawn-Sullivan-spared-extradition-US-courts-say-vulnerable-Gary-McKinnon-MUST-go.html dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 You think that extradition should apply to alleged copyright infringement? One Country's version of copyright infringement differs from another, and quite substantially. Ripped away from your family, held on remand in another country, made responsible for that cost and subject to another legal system and for what? It seems like a small deal at first but remember the napster fiasco? That could've cost various people millions in lost revenue which really wasn't fair was it? There are reasons these laws are put in place. Am I seriously having to explain that to a solicitor? Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) Tests of a good law might include, is it just is it proportionate is it reasonable is it fair Fails on all counts Many dictators would like such power - it is unseemly in a friendly nation to want to wield such a power - I too have signed. Capital 'T' edited Edited July 1, 2012 by Kes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Signed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Signed up not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Did not sign up. I am aware of the disparity between us and uk laws and am not a huge fan of this extradition treaty. However, file sharing sites ( and i beleive this was one) need closing down, they are theft. Until i see both sets of evidence, i remain unconvinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin2 Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 done ,and i wish him the very best of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted July 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) Did not sign up. I am aware of the disparity between us and uk laws and am not a huge fan of this extradition treaty. However, file sharing sites ( and i beleive this was one) need closing down, they are theft. Until i see both sets of evidence, i remain unconvinced. You are missing the point. He has committed no crime in the UK. This is like saying that because you posted an Image of Mohammed (which is a crime in Iraq) it's fine for you to be deported to Iraq because you broke their laws. The reach of US law should stop at their borders. Edited July 1, 2012 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Signed, bloody nazis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Exactly this is not just about 'now' but what ever comes next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I rarely sign these petitions but I passionately object to how this extradition law is implemented and have signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 The first thing we need to sort out is the double standards of the extradition treaty which is massively in favour of the US. Truely sad state of affairs and yet another example of the UK pandering to everyone's wims. Labour lost our backbone years ago the current mob are need to get a grip fast 'cos they ain't doing much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I've said this before, there are few legal systems I would less like the 'get lost' in than that of the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 From my limited understanding af the american legal system i can only add my concern over this matter which smacks of the good old U.S.A.acting as some sort of universal police force ,with their "anti american" rubbish. The worldwide patent/copyright system allows for a prosecution to take place in the country of the alleged offence,think of the fake addidas ,lacoste,as well as any number of other copied foriegn owned brands that have brought trademark related prosecutions in the U.K. without the need for extradition. Absolutley no case to answer in this instance ,other then a politically driven agenda which should be resisted. As mungler says where does this end ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Ill just point out he had a site that had links to sites with tv programs that you COULD click on if you wanted to. He didnt actualy have any illegal material on his site. Its basically, If i said you COULD go around your neihbours and shoot one of them and you go and do it, they make out its my fault for suggesting it rather than you for doing the actual shooting. Sort of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 i agree that the extradition treaty is completely one sided. The "Yo Blair" comment from GWB just about sums it up, but as an aside, the youngsters of today (at least the ones i talk to) do not see file sharing as theft. Let's be clear. it's not like lending your LP or CD to a mate to copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 its exactly the same I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Thats whacko. I don't like the idea of global law. Signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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