DNS Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 We have constant threads seeing opinion on 'the best' cartridges for a variety of applications. I've got a number of favourites which I will buy in preference to other for no good reason other than that I'm used to them - but are there actually any rubbish brands or formats? Everything I've ever tried has gone 'bang' and if (when) I've missed; my assumption is that cartridges makea difference in inches whilst I miss by feet - if I'm shooting well. Your thoughts please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) I had a number of misfires with a batch of Eley’s once which nearly made me ditch the brand, had a couple of hang fires with Kent velocity and some Super Comp’s that smoked like they were black powder but it must have been a bad batches as I have shot them all since with no issues. I once shot some World Cup Fibres, they felt like Mike Tyson was punching me wearing a knuckle duster so that is a cart I stay away from, they still work, just not for me. Most like yourself are favourites based on my gun set up and the kills I get with them, there are some I just don’t like for some reason but I see other shooters shoot well with them so just put it down to me or maybe they don’t suit my gun choke combination. Chard once shot some Fiocchi that spat flames out of the end of the gun, it was so bad a random bloke came over at a shoot to ask what the **** he was shooting with, he thought it was some seriously deranged home load. So apart from the odd bad batch I don’t think there is a bad cart nowadays but confidence is a big thing and if you lose confidence in a cart then you will shoot bad even though the cart will not be at fault. Edited July 23, 2012 by timps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 but confidence is a big thing and if you lose confidence in a cart then you will shoot bad even though the cart will not be at fault. I think you've hit the nail on the head there, it works in reverse too, I've known people swear a good score was more to do with the cartridge than anything, which is a shame because if they are on form that day they might be better off knowing why they are and seek to emulate it again, rather than patting themselves on the back for buying the 'right' cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 The only shell I would not have as gift is D and J - fibre wad. The plastic are okay, but the fibre are filthy. It takes ages to get the residue out of the barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 The only shell I would not have as gift is D and J - fibre wad. The plastic are okay, but the fibre are filthy. It takes ages to get the residue out of the barrels. Actually you have a point there, a local place to me sells some generic red cartridge which takes an age to get off the bore. I lent someone my gun to try and they popped just two in, and I had to scrub like billyho to get the crud out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 The only shell I would not have as gift is D and J - fibre wad. The plastic are okay, but the fibre are filthy. It takes ages to get the residue out of the barrels. Tried these as well and found the fibre ones to be a dirty cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Winchester Universal are great if you like a good jam. Agreed on D&J and Fiocchi, both leave the barrels full of muck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Chard once shot some Fiocchi that spat flames out of the end of the gun, it was so bad a random bloke came over at a shoot to ask what the **** he was shooting with, he thought it was some seriously deranged home load. I remember them well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 I am also reliably informed Gamebore subsonic carts are not the best for ABT either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 I am also reliably informed Gamebore subsonic carts are not the best for ABT either. True story. The clays are faster than the shot........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyme Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 d@j and fiocchi top 1's pile of poo in my experiance of shooting them both, both as dirty as a saturday student night out with jamming in autos occasionally and misfires for the top 1's.. the only ones i steer clear of myself, the rest all seem pretty fine what i have tried.. although i dont like the lylevale english sporters in a non auto because they dont half kick ok for 50 birds but im not that sensitive to recoil, but even i notice it after a few 100 birders back to back..gives me a proper flinch.. great in a auto though.... horses for courses i guess pick something cheap and you like and just shoot. and forget about what your using.. i like kents myself as there cheap and they just work time after time. if you really wanted to get critical and anal you could pattern loads of carts with the chokes you use mostly and find one thats perfect for your gun for that ambient air and cart temperature. imho just shoot it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 guys time to try froglube for cleanin your guns and especially your barrels if you're strugglin to gte the lead and plastic marks of your barrels but it has to be used correctly with heat but it's the dogs balls once you've got the hang of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 I just buy the same cartridge all the time and leave the same chokes in for consistancy, any failure to hit is me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Not rubbish,but old Baikal cartridges are a tad exciting to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Many years ago, I bought 5000 Baikal Record cartridges, from Budget Guns and Tackle - I think they were in Kent. very cheap and free delivery. Went to shoot floodlit skeet at Trawden Gun Club - 4 feet of flames out of the end of the barrel to accompany the fairly loud crack. That said, the skeet shells would break just about any sporting clay, including some fairly distant stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 some have given me about 50 baikal trap 24g loud and kicky and leave yellow dot crud down the barrels only bad cartridges is one that dont fire if it gos bang it will do me i shot from £3 pound a box of 25 to £14 a box of 25 all do the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 The only shell I would not have as gift is D and J - fibre wad. The plastic are okay, but the fibre are filthy. It takes ages to get the residue out of the barrels. Not the new stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Floating Chamber - glad to hear they have got their act together. It must have hit their sales. They weren't that cheap either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 My shooting buddy and I bought several thousand Bournaghi cart's about 7 years ago now (30g 6s) and they were terrible - neither of us could hit anything with them, it came to the point where we cut several open to make sure they actually had shot in them!! They were very cheap so we bought loads of them :( My mate still has some and tries desperately to give me a handful every now and then, he can keep the damned things- I'd hit more throwing stones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNS Posted July 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Some excellent responses there chaps, thanks. 'I'd hit more throwing stones' and 'the clays were faster than the shot' are classics. Is it a scene in 'The Magnificent Seven' where one of the villagers is advised to hold the rifle by the barrel and try to club the opposition with the butt? My scores would suggest I might be advised to adopt that method myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 My shooting buddy and I bought several thousand Bournaghi cart's about 7 years ago now (30g 6s) and they were terrible - neither of us could hit anything with them, it came to the point where we cut several open to make sure they actually had shot in them!! They were very cheap so we bought loads of them :( My mate still has some and tries desperately to give me a handful every now and then, he can keep the damned things- I'd hit more throwing stones! How many you got left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Many years ago, I bought 5000 Baikal Record cartridges, from Budget Guns and Tackle - I think they were in Kent. very cheap and free delivery. Went to shoot floodlit skeet at Trawden Gun Club - 4 feet of flames out of the end of the barrel to accompany the fairly loud crack. That said, the skeet shells would break just about any sporting clay, including some fairly distant stuff. i brought some of these (well - 1000 of them!) cheap a couple of years ago from a chap who had stock piled them since 1990, very similar experience, huge flame, kicked like a mule. edit: these are the beauties - got 'baikal made in the ussr' on the bottom, they get used now just to make a noise to keep the birds moving.... Edited July 24, 2012 by pegasus bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 The only shell I would not have as gift is D and J - fibre wad. The plastic are okay, but the fibre are filthy. It takes ages to get the residue out of the barrels. +1, bought some for the PW meet at Bisley in 2004(or poss 2005) still have them, only use them on close in corvids around the farm buildings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 In answer to the title, I would say no. The "worst" ones will be far better than any of us. And as for what state they leave the pipes in, frankly I couldnt care less; the next one will push it all out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 In answer to the title, I would say no. The "worst" ones will be far better than any of us. And as for what state they leave the pipes in, frankly I couldnt care less; the next one will push it all out! Beat me to it Shot some D&J fibre last year decoying pigeons and they worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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