markbivvy Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 It would appear that the vociferous anti police faction are intransigent in their view point. Sgt Andrews does`nt get the benefit of the doubt .There is no consideration for a moments lack of focus or loss of temper. By that harsh turn of logic then, our real SAS soldier stays in prison. I just hope that none of the police bashers made the moral mistake of signing the petition to review the soldiers position. In life,you can`t have it both ways. Whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Is there a way that you can remove your signature from the SAS petition because you must have been morally confused when you signed it. Not the first time he has lost control though is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 It would appear that the vociferous anti police faction are intransigent in their view point. Sgt Andrews doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt .There is no consideration for a moments lack of focus or loss of temper. By that harsh turn of logic then, our real SAS soldier stays in prison. I just hope that none of the police bashers made the moral mistake of signing the petition to review the soldiers position. In life, you can’t have it both ways. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Is there a way that you can remove your signature from the SAS petition because you must have been morally confused when you signed it. That doesn't make much sense. 1. the SAS matter is a strict liability offence. End of. It's not fair, it's unfortunate and yes I think the law needs an amendment. I didn't sign the on line petition because they are pointless. 2. Sgt Andrews could have put his hands up early on to an error of Judgment, a mistake or a momentary lapse; if he did I suspect that matters wouldn't have unfolded as they have, there would have been very little adverse publicity and we wouldn't be having this debate. But he didn't. It's not that difficult and it's not a police bashing thread. Indeed, it's only a police bashing thread in so much that if you consider yourself a serving officer and brother of Sgt Andrews “regardless” and in particular regardless of his actions (and such that you have blind devotion and allegiance to any serving colleague) then every time there is a disgrace to the uniform being discussed and criticised on here, you will naturally take offence and think it personal to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 2. Sgt Andrews could have put his hands up early on to an error of Judgment, a mistake or a momentary lapse; if he did I suspect that matters wouldn't have unfolded as they have, there would have been very little adverse publicity and we wouldn't be having this debate. But he didn't. But he is innocent so why would he put his hands up to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 the key being this bit:- Mr Justice Bean said after the four-day hearing that he was satisfied Sgt Andrews did not intend to throw Ms Somerville into the cell and that injuries she suffered were probably caused by her falling to the floor after letting go of the door frame. He presumably had more cctv footage than you see in the released clips and the missing bit is when she goes through the door, presumably he pulled her from holding onto the frame and that isn't the same as throwing her into the cell. Looks from the cctv like he throws her to the floor but when you consider her hanging onto something and releasing her grip it makes sense the speed she went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Missed Again Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 never said i was a copper and if you read the threads and posts on here from me you would know what i do as a job which entails dealing with people like that and worse And yes i do own guns as you put it. Details are below in my Sig but then again you would have read that aswell I'm very sorry got you mixed up with someone else (it's my age) It has taught me a couple of things reading it all again, there is very little middle ground in this debate as there is in life, and hatred is alive and well. My views have been exhausted so back to shooting matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 But he is innocent so why would he put his hands up to it? No you're right, it's all rosey in that garden. Who knows why the curfuffle or why he got sacked, prosecuted and convicted. Obviously the appeal courts have cleared him and that's the end of that. Like OJ was found not guilty, that's the end of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Who knows why the curfuffle or why he got sacked, prosecuted and convicted. the answer to that lies in the fact the media witch hunt after the well doctored cctv got released meant they had to. It wasn't trial by jury it was by media. Hence he got cleared and has got his job back. There are some interesting bits though the transcript of her version very patchy no mention of failure to provide a breath sample http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-11214217 and then lo and behold she does it again and once again fails to provide a breath sample http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/Woman-cell-controversy-banned-driving-offence/story-15042338-detail/story.html you can see where this is going as far as her version of events being reliable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Failing to provide a sample is completely irrelevant in relation to her treatment in custody. Indeed, her guilt or otherwise is irrelevant to her treatment in custody. It doesn't provide anyone with the authority to face plant the miscreant into the cell floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 thats the thing though did he throw her to the floor or did the fact she grabbed the door frame on the way through make it look like that. The Judge presumably with more CCTV thought the latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 why is this thread still going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 boring boring boring me to hell and back,,its like reading the same page over and over again,,,ok all lets talk about a good copper for once,, oh sorry dont know any :lol: :lol: :lol: spanner in the works :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 why is this thread still going? Because the monkeys still want feeding. I wonder what he's spending his 4 years back pay on? New Aston Martin? Pair of Purdys? Round the world trip as he will have accrued lots of leave he was unable to take? Maybe he will just pay off his mortgage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Maybe. Lets hope he has lots of lawyers bills to pay. Maybe he will give you some of his money as an expression of his love for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I wonder what he's spending his 4 years back pay on? Anger management classes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 The thread was started to stir it just a bit. Very predictable, if not a little sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 never said i was a copper and if you read the threads and posts on here from me you would know what i do as a job which entails dealing with people like that and worse And yes i do own guns as you put it. Details are below in my Sig but then again you would have read that aswell do you get a lot of drunken trouble makers in sainsburys now then chump? wow, their standards have dropped some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 The thread was started to stir it just a bit. Very predictable, if not a little sad. Harry's obviously having a bad week. He should look at an internal transfer to "public relations" to put his positive and polite disposition and winning charm to best use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Maybe. Lets hope he has lots of lawyers bills to pay. Maybe he will give you some of his money as an exp<b></b>ression of his love for you. The police federation would have covered all the legal expenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Oh good, I don't think I pay for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I've had a good week ticketing people for 32 in a 30! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 That's the spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 14 pages of cop on cop man love...............REALLY ! It has always been the same on here and probably every other forum,99% of the police defend their "brothers" to the point of ridicule no matter what they have done. The excuses are the usual "you do not know how hard it is" or "you do not know what we have to put up with" along with "we deal with scum" of course non of which justifys assaulting an old woman who didnt pose any threat to anyone but her self while she was in custody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I've had a good week ticketing people for 32 in a 30! Was that to help recover the cost of bailing out Sgt Mark (Bruce Lee) Andrews. “ There are good and bad in all, however some are just all bad” TEH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ordnance Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I've had a good week ticketing people for 32 in a 30! Your blue peter badge is in the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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