Catamong Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I run a shooting ground which is strictly fibre only and the majority of guns that come to use it stick to fibre wads but after each shoot when i'm tidying up I keep finding plastic wads not alot but a few especially on the rabbit layout and others lying around on various stands. I try to keep an eye out on the days when the shoot is on but its near impossible to do but one day I will find the culprits and ban them, because if it carries on we could end up losing the ground as its set on a beautiful part of an estate and they are horrible to see lying around the place, there are signs out stating fibre only and all advertisements are clearly shown as fibre, its the same old saying that a very small minority could end up ruining a shoot which there is not enough of in the first place. Personally I don't see what the fuss is nowadays apart from cheaper to buy as I shoot fibre all the time on clays and game and never have any problems with them. Of course you'll find Plaswads at your "Fibre Only" shoot, as some people will always use them, either through ignorance or simply because they perceive it will give them an advantage. As you quite rightly state, it's pretty much impossible to stamp it out, but it's one thing to ban plaswads at a local club shoot and quite another to ban them at a major event which appears on the CPSA calendar, and is being touted as a CPSA "Registered" shoot...God knows why..?. I'm not a great fan of fibre wads, I don't have a lot of confidence in them, and I will generally avoid shoots where they are mandatory, but that's a personal thing and my prejudice is not based upon any scientific evidence, just my opinion that plaswads give a better kill on longer targets. The introduction of "Fibre Only" shoots at major events is a worrying trend, perhaps the thin end of a wedge that will have us all shooting 21gram fibre / steel loads before too long..? Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 just force the competitors to purchase shells when registering.... ie 100bird shoot = entrance fee+100 fibre shells. no excuse then ! but cant for the life of me, see that happening at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Nothing to stop people having them on them already? Sadly, those who want to get round the rules will, and do, as we have found out in the past. Personally I dont like them, but fortunately I dont like Berettas either so no problem for me :-) Long live the plaswad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Fibres!! Those boys with their DT "11 bores" must be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Wow. Really, wow. It's amazing to see the number of people who seem to feel that rules shouldn't apply to them. Bear in mind that a large number of clay clubs - rather than businesses - are on rented land that is grazed at other times. Cattle in particular are curious, and will ingest plaswads. Caerwys CTC, for example, is fibre only. The use of plaswads would endanger the future of the club. To those that feel the rules shouldn't apply to them, it's pretty obvious that you are not REAL landowners / farmers / smallholders. If you were, you'd probably have a little more respect for other people's land. Would you go and drop used plastic bottles in the street ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Wow. Really, wow. It's amazing to see the number of people who seem to feel that rules shouldn't apply to them. Bear in mind that a large number of clay clubs - rather than businesses - are on rented land that is grazed at other times. Cattle in particular are curious, and will ingest plaswads. Caerwys CTC, for example, is fibre only. The use of plaswads would endanger the future of the club. To those that feel the rules shouldn't apply to them, it's pretty obvious that you are not REAL landowners / farmers / smallholders. If you were, you'd probably have a little more respect for other people's land. Would you go and drop used plastic bottles in the street ? Very well said ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Wow. Really, wow. It's amazing to see the number of people who seem to feel that rules shouldn't apply to them. Bear in mind that a large number of clay clubs - rather than businesses - are on rented land that is grazed at other times. Cattle in particular are curious, and will ingest plaswads. Caerwys CTC, for example, is fibre only. The use of plaswads would endanger the future of the club. To those that feel the rules shouldn't apply to them, it's pretty obvious that you are not REAL landowners / farmers / smallholders. If you were, you'd probably have a little more respect for other people's land. Would you go and drop used plastic bottles in the street ? But plas wads have been found there TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 But plas wads have been found there TBH Sadly, yes, that is true. Quite surprising (and disappointing) how some people seem to feel that rules are for other people, and they are far too superior for the rules to apply to them. A little bit off-topic, but I'd love to see some of these people who refuse to use fibre, if they do any pest control (for example), taking some plaswads over to the farmer, and explaining that every shot they fire will drop one of those on the land, and they have no intention of picking them up. I daresay any consents they have would vanish rather rapidly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrapFiller Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Wow. Really, wow. It's amazing to see the number of people who seem to feel that rules shouldn't apply to them. Bear in mind that a large number of clay clubs - rather than businesses - are on rented land that is grazed at other times. Cattle in particular are curious, and will ingest plaswads. Caerwys CTC, for example, is fibre only. The use of plaswads would endanger the future of the club. To those that feel the rules shouldn't apply to them, it's pretty obvious that you are not REAL landowners / farmers / smallholders. If you were, you'd probably have a little more respect for other people's land. Would you go and drop used plastic bottles in the street ? No body on here was advocating the use of plaswads at this event, but could not understand why a registered shoot was only allowing fibre wads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poacher Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 wouldn't it be a better test of who was the best shot, if everyone was using the same cartridge. As mentioned before buy your entry and carts supplied by the ground together ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 The same cartridge would work if everyone had the same gun and it fitted them all just as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 The guys who win a lot will win with whatever shell they use, it has no bearing to the overall result. As Gordon says, where do you stop? Same chokes, vest, gun, glasses etc etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poacher Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Precisely if it has not bearing on the result, surely thats the answer to not having plas wads all over the area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Most grounds are there as specific shooting grounds- clays, wads etc etc are going to be there, so dont see plastic as a problem. Using fibre only is restrictive for championship level shoots, however I fully understand fibre over greenfield sites or if requested by the landowner. My reply above was more re everyone using the same brand of shell- they all do the same job so would be pointless and just put people off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Our club is fibre only, but we still find the odd bunch of plaswads despite notices everywhere, you will never stop it, unless you make them use only the cartridges you sell, which will never happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canthitathing Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I'm not going to shoot it this year . I enjoyed it last year at Meon Springs but my Beretta is a semi-auto and I really don't like shooting fibre shells with it. My scorecard will look like a Timps skeet fest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I'm not going to shoot it this year . I enjoyed it last year at Meon Springs but my Beretta is a semi-auto and I really don't like shooting fibre shells with it. My scorecard will look like a Timps skeet fest You don’t like shooting anything nowadays you big gay thing... I was third overall at my first registered skeet shoot I will have you know... I think the main issue is the initial temporary switch that causes the problem, you have a shooter that shoots 200 plus plastic wads of brand x week in week out. They are used to this cart, when you switch to fibre it’s a different sound, recoil and pattern compared to the plastic, it does not mean it is totally inferior just it’s different. This change just for 120 birds out of the many thousands they shoot year in year out does affect them in the short term for that one shoot, I have no doubt that a shooter will get used to fibre but trying to do that whilst vying for a class win/high gun at one shoot is not the best idea. So you have shooters that play by the rules and it will potentially cost them a target just because they are getting used to a different cart and those who ignore the rules and use the cart they are used too. Whatever you suggest unless you are going to body search a shooter at each stand there are those who will still use plastic on certain target presentations no matter what rules you bring in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Sadly, yes, that is true. Quite surprising (and disappointing) how some people seem to feel that rules are for other people, and they are far too superior for the rules to apply to them. A little bit off-topic, but I'd love to see some of these people who refuse to use fibre, if they do any pest control (for example), taking some plaswads over to the farmer, and explaining that every shot they fire will drop one of those on the land, and they have no intention of picking them up. I daresay any consents they have would vanish rather rapidly Isn't it amazing how these posts get a bit twisted..? It only needs one hothead like this to spark things off, it's not a question of anybody thinking that the rules don't apply to them, not one post has alluded to that, yet here we are with an individual from North Wales suggesting that anybody that uses plaswads for pigeon shooting will be "sent to Coventry" by their farmer, now how daft is that...? Well, let me assure you that whilst it may well be the case in North Wales, it certainly ain't the case over the arable farms around London that I shoot on, I've never yet met a farmer who's complained about the thousands of plaswads that I deposit on his land every year, because he knows that for every thousand plaswads dumped, approximately 500 pigeons will have been removed from his "hate pest list", he reckons that's a fair exchange. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Cat - to the point and right. :good: :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 That may well be the case on an arable farm that has absolutely no livestock. However, as I have already said in a previous post, cattle in particular are very curious. They WILL eat plaswads, and they DO suffer (sometimes major) complications because of this. Don't believe me ? Think (as you say) that I am some hothead ? Wrong. Very wrong. I am from a farming background, I have family members that run large dairy and beef farms. But hell, this is the net, anyone can say anything. Why don't you go ask a mixed farm farmer. Better yet, go ask a proper rural vet. I can absolutely assure you that no beef or dairy farmer would be willing to risk that sort of financial loss. Interesting really, your attitude. After all, fibres cost a very small amount more than plaswads - maybe £10 per thousand. It says a great deal to me about your attitude to litter, in particular. As long as you get your shooting, you don't care about the litter you leave behind. Do you leave your empty cartridges behind too ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Plastic fantastic, I like the idea of everyone using the same cart, maybe custom printed so it would be even more obvious if their is a cheat. As for the person who but "it's not what they might be used to" I'm sure these people shoot enough clays to realise if they miss its not the cartridges fault. To put it in perspective a bad tradesmen always blames his tools..... And as for scattering plas wads about I'm sure there are worse things you could leave laying about..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaseone Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 So all those complaining about Fibre wads at the Beretta, Were you ever going to be in the final? I DOUBT IT! I would think that the top 6 who are would have been whether they used fibre or plastic. So stop moaning and get on with it. (i only shoot plas wads) INCOMING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Plastic fantastic, I like the idea of everyone using the same cart, maybe custom printed so it would be even more obvious if their is a cheat. As for the person who but "it's not what they might be used to" I'm sure these people shoot enough clays to realise if they miss its not the cartridges fault. To put it in perspective a bad tradesmen always blames his tools..... And as for scattering plas wads about I'm sure there are worse things you could leave laying about..... That was me, but I did say “it does not mean it is totally inferior just it’s different.” So not a bad tool just a different tool and I still stand by that, we have two former England team captains on this thread that state they don’t like shooting fibre, that kind of proves my point and they are far from ‘bad tradesmen’. For the top shots it’s all about consistency and confidence, you change something for one shoot and it can play on their mind, change it for 20 shoots and towards the end I doubt it would. For the top shots we are talking one clay can cost them, the first shoot with fibre feels totally different to what they are used to so they think about that rather than actually shooting. Consistency is king and change is bad, I am sure I could give you some carts that would knock you out of your stride for a couple of shots until you get use to them, by then the damage is done no high gun. Not the carts fault just you getting used to them that’s all, I am sure there are others who don’t care but I am talking about those that do and the reason why they do. So all those complaining about Fibre wads at the Beretta, Were you ever going to be in the final? I DOUBT IT! I would think that the top 6 who are would have been whether they used fibre or plastic. So stop moaning and get on with it. (i only shoot plas wads) INCOMING Well there is a poster on this thread who was 3rd in the British Open and 3rd the world sporting this year who says he doesn’t like fibres so I think he might have stood a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 cattle in particular are very curious I assume that the cattle took part in a survey / research to establish this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaseone Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) Timps, the guy who was 3rd would still have been third if all were using fibre. cos he is that good. and it wont affect Ed cos be will have to shoot a Beretta. Edited February 2, 2013 by leaseone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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