ChAoS Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Pumping is good fun. Damn right, it is: Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 ‘Naïve newby…’ I’m looking to buy my first pump-gun! I’m a bit of a pauper so I want a cheap gun. My reading of ‘Pump-Club’ suggests that the advice is: "Buy a Remington 870. Or else a Mossberg 500. Unless of course you can find an Ithaca 37. Which you won’t. Unless, unless, of course you have a lot of pennies, in which case ignore all of that and buy a Benelli." …have I got that about right? My questions/worries are: - I want a cheap gun, ideally £200-£300. For this price-range the Remingtons / Mossbergs that I have seen are all around 15 years old with 10,000s of rounds through them and fading bluing, scratches, rattles, etc. - The Remingtons / Mossbergs also seem to be mostly long-barrelled (around 28”). I’m after a short-barrelled gun, ideally 24”. - All of this suggests a Hatsan, a Revo, or for a little more a Winchester SXP. This way I get one fresh out of the box in my spec. and with a warranty. I basically get the brand-new Mondeo rather then a 15-year-old 3-series?! Seems sensible. Happy days. - But there does not seem to be much enthusiasm for any of these guns on this thread. I am surprised, as I thought that the whole point of a pump-gun is that you are not buying a Purdy, Beretta, etc, label for mega money? I cannot find any good description of what is actually wrong with them however, so why the hatred for non-Italian/American made guns? It must be something else, please explain. - Compounding all of this is that I don’t really like the way that the Escort, SXP, or other ‘Benelli-style’ guns look. To me they all look like semi-autos and whilst I know it is silly to go on style, I do like a pump-gun that looks like a pump-gun. - There seem to be other second-hand weapons about that might fit the bill (ie. in better nick with 24” barrels), such as those by Fuzil, Manufrance, Stevens, Squires-Bingham, and Magtech, etc. I’m guessing though that these are not popular because they are out of production and you can’t get easily get spares or modern composite stocks and add-ons for them? - I also like the idea of the ‘Celect’ adjustable chokes I have seen on some older guns. Modern weapons do not seem to have them though. Why is this, are they rubbish? See how conflicted and confused I am?!! Please help! I dont rate Hatsans semis, but the pumps seem OK. I have not known anyone who has one not to rate theirs quite highly. Never seen a Revo to comment. The SXP has a bizarre short stock and also operates partly by recoil to take the slide back - seems like something to go wrong to me, I like pumps that are simple, it is part of their charm. I have not shot an SXP though I have mounted one. The C-lect choke has been superceded by screw in multi-chokes. As for the other guns available, they are all fun to shoot, cheap and cheeful and will probably do OK. The CBC pump is an 870 copy made by CBC, who make the cheaper Remingtons for Remington anyway (if that makes sense). I do not know if you can interchange spares though. Manufrance make a good gun (or commission one anyway) but spares may be a problem. Stevens are a bargain basement pump. Some swear by them, some at them. Seems like anything cheap you depend on the tolerances going the right way perhaps? I think most like the Mossy or the 870 as they are cheap, plentiful, loads of add-ons, they seem to fit most people OK and spares are peanuts compared to other some guns. They will also remain in production for years so they are a good investment. I have an 870 in 20b and a 500 in 12b. I rate both very highly. You can get a a really nice 500 or 870 within your budget if you are patient. If you cannot wait, have a look through the US forums for common faults on the rest of the pumps and buy one with the info of what problems to watch out for. Sporting Gun has an 870 Wingmaster for £350 at the mo. It is harder to go wrong buying a pump than most shotguns though. The Hatsan, 870 and 500 are failrly easy for a decent gunsmith to convert to section 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 The Hatsan, 870 and 500 are failrly easy for a decent gunsmith to convert to section 1. Not sure how an RFD would go about converting an 870 from S.2 to S.1....as the main magazine tube is not listed as a spare part, it is a "return to factory for re-fit" item OTHER pumps, yes...you can unscrew or otherwise remove the magazine tubes with some effort/special tools & some pumps such as the Hatsan have S.1 main tubes listed as spare parts Of course, one advantage of an S.2 (870 or otherwise) is in allowing new shooters to try the gun design before deciding which S.1 they want to go with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 Thanks, I stand corrected. A pal had an 1100 (same tube as the 870) converted from restricted to sec 1 for next to nothing a couple of years ago. I will ask how he had it carried out. Could it have had the crimp reamed out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 Thanks, I stand corrected. A pal had an 1100 (same tube as the 870) converted from restricted to sec 1 for next to nothing a couple of years ago. I will ask how he had it carried out. Could it have had the crimp reamed out? Possibly...I'd be interested to know what was done to make the 1100 into a S.1 The S.2 crimp is a PITA as a couple of my S.2 have the awfull factory followers installed and I'd love to be able to replace them with better designs, but they are in there for the duration.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev56 Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 Possibly...I'd be interested to know what was done to make the 1100 into a S.1 The S.2 crimp is a PITA as a couple of my S.2 have the awfull factory followers installed and I'd love to be able to replace them with better designs, but they are in there for the duration.... I had my wingmaster changed to S.2 but i machined up an alli. follower before it was crimped. My understanding is some magazines are locktited in and can be removed with some care. The 870s are silver soldered in, the crimp can be removed by heating up the mag tube and driving in a tapered wedge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sco77w Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 I have a 24" barrelled mossberg and love it but I could be talked in to letting it go as it is on my shotgun cert (sec 2) and I'm in the process of applying for my FAC and buying a used sec 1 gun and selling my sec 2 would be more cost effective than buying a new tube and paying for the smithing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) I did used to have a mossbeg marine pump years back.very nice gun Edited June 8, 2013 by silverhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Hey Guys I'm thinking I'd like a pistol grip stock for my mossy 500, apart from midway UK does anyone know of any others available in the UK? I've had a good look and found very little. cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac961 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Hey Guys I'm thinking I'd like a pistol grip stock for my mossy 500, apart from midway UK does anyone know of any others available in the UK? I've had a good look and found very little. cheers Steve Have you seen this one at UkmcPro, it's from FAB Defense, and looks like an M4 type stock. Bit expensive, but there's 15% off FAB Defense stuff on this site at the minute. http://www.ukmcpro.co.uk/brands/fab-defense/fab-defense-buttstocks/fab-defense-m4-buttstock-for-mossberg-500-detail.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 thanks, thats a bit more than I wanted to spend and I'm not sure about the adjustable thing either... I fancy something like this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 damn that looks nice, i have an ati stock on mine, i went out with it for the first time on the weekend and its lovely... my first time with a pump and i loved it! also tried a 64gramm 3 1/2 inch cart (first 3 1/2 inch gun so HAD to) kicked the you know what out of me... due to its looks my pump wont be a regular gun but its fun enough im gona hold onto it! and the 3 1/2 inch might come in handy as im joining a wildfowling club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 thanks, thats a bit more than I wanted to spend and I'm not sure about the adjustable thing either... I fancy something like this... Not seen that before , where's it from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) here ya go... http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Talon-Thumbhole-Shotgun-Stock,1514,165.htm It wouldnt suite my old AG with c-lect choke so I'm ummming and eeerrrring about this one form midway uk for £50... not sure about using MidwayUK, I've heard some bad things about the service. Its a bit basic and not so great looking but I reckon with this, the matching forend and a heat shield she'll look ruggedly cool Edited June 11, 2013 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted June 11, 2013 Report Share Posted June 11, 2013 Thanks for the link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kb1065 Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 just sold my mossberg gutted but it was to big as it was hushpower but not all bad news i will be getting my a remmy or something with the proceeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 i used midway uka few weeks ago, the website shows that its drop shipped from the states and that theres a delivery time.. my goods came quicker than expected and well packed.. no compaints from me on midway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 thats good to know, the other thing is I cant find much info about the John Masen stock I linked above, its going to be £76 posted for the stock and forend... I wonder whether its worth a punt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartph Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Thought I would post my membership to the pump club Remington 870 express super magnum 28" had it 3 weeks and picked up today a benelli supernova 24" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 still not shot mine yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted June 12, 2013 Report Share Posted June 12, 2013 Thought I would post my membership to the pump club Remington 870 express super magnum 28" had it 3 weeks and picked up today a benelli supernova 24" Pretty much the same as mine only my Rem is a 26" Wingmaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt fieldcrafter-uk Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) I just got mine this week , mossburg 500 .410 with detachable silencer .Bloody love it already taken 2 pigeons and a jackdaw with it so far . That's with 2" carts .Cost me nothing I swapped it for 2x of my custom knives .I wish I could find a farm with some pigeons I'm dying to use it decoying !! Edited June 14, 2013 by matt . simmons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Sweet gun My stock choices took a turn, I ended up with the choates stock and hogue forend, both ordered from midwayuk.... Fingers crossed! Now to find an appropriate heat shield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Cost me nothing I swapped it for 2x of my custom knives . I did the opposite last year, swapped an Ithaca 37DSPS for an old knife that my mate had on his stall... only did the trade as I'd just picked up a '59 dated Ithaca 37 earlier that day & the knife was one I'd had my eye on for about 5 years!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Guys, my 20g 870 express with oiled stock is open to offers. PM me for more info. Thanks. Underdog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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