AVB Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 So you go out to work all week and pay tax on your income. You go shopping and pay tax on your purchases. You fuel the car and pay 85% of it in tax. You get your Road Fund Licence demand. You go to the pub for a drink to help you forget the amount of tax you have been screwed out of and have to pay tax on your pint. Then you do a job and someone says "I'll give you £50 for cash" and you want us to pay tax on that as well??? The swear filter prevents a thorough response. I absolutely agree with you. BUT wind forward a bit. Because you and others are avoiding paying tax, taxes will need to go up. Therefore you (and everybody else) will pay more income tax, fuel tax, VAT etc. so you will feel justified in doing more cash in hand work. etc. etc. I am not sure there is a way out of this. We're doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) cash in hand work will never be abolished, even if you remove cash altogether people will just resort back to trading good's/labour in return for work, all the time there is tax there will be people who get around paying it ! Edited February 23, 2013 by lumpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Actually a different question that will help us come to an answer. If you accept cash in hand payments and don't declare them would you be prepared to pay tax on them IF the overal rate of tax was lower? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Actually a different question that will help us come to an answer. If you accept cash in hand payments and don't declare them would you be prepared to pay tax on them IF the overal rate of tax was lower? TBH No ! All the time tax gets used to pay for benefit spongers or immagrants i will pay as little as i can get away with ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I gave my bank details to the guy we have been working for,he pays it through his bank,simple,its all legal and recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 The only way to stop cash in hand is to get rid of cash. That is never going to happen. I hate using my card I draw cash out of the bank every week as my spending money and use it for my purchases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Cant see a problem if a tax paying self employed or small business gets the odd cash job The money will usually end up back in the business /economy anyway, keeping others in work Totaly agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Cash in hand is the only way for some to put a little extra on the table . Whether they declare it or not is up to them thats what they said in Greece! KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I try to pay cash as much as possible,and it usually results in a better deal so suits me.On the other side,ill pay as little tax as i have to.Saying us all paying more tax will sort the country oot is very naive,it just means the government will waste it in other ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I try to pay cash as much as possible,and it usually results in a better deal so suits me.On the other side,ill pay as little tax as i have to.Saying us all paying more tax will sort the country oot is very naive,it just means the government will waste it in other ways. http://www.businessinsider.com/corruption-in-greese-hampering-economic-recovery-2010-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 TBH No ! All the time tax gets used to pay for benefit spongers or immagrants i will pay as little as i can get away with ! I try to pay cash as much as possible,and it usually results in a better deal so suits me.On the other side,ill pay as little tax as i have to.Saying us all paying more tax will sort the country oot is very naive,it just means the government will waste it in other ways. And that my friends is the crux of the problem. We feel we shouldn't pay tax because it's somebody elses problem. I agree with KW (damn). We are going the way of Greece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) http://www.businessi...recovery-2010-1 Very poor trolling fella.The heading says So corrupt nobody pays taxes,and you are comparing them to the UK?Maybe you are on the social and pay nothing,but ask the vast,vast and vast majority of people in the UK if they pay taxes. And that my friends is the crux of the problem. We feel we shouldn't pay tax because it's somebody elses problem. I agree with KW (damn). We are going the way of Greece. Wrong,i feel i pay enough taxes. In fact,i feel i already pay too much tax. Edited February 23, 2013 by sako751sg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Banks have and are crippling this country when everyone got paid cash weekly all shops etc had 4 weekends a month when it went to monthly payments they end up with one good trading weekend a month it was a disaster to shops /Taxi's/ pubs etc. Yes so lets give them more business cos the CEO's of the banks are struggling a bit. :ninja: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 And that my friends is the crux of the problem. We feel we shouldn't pay tax because it's somebody elses problem. I agree with KW (damn). We are going the way of Greece. People with 5 kids and no interest in ever working ! = Yes very much NOT my problem ! people who come here to take our jobs and sponge whatever else they can ! = Also very much Not my problem ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Wrong,i feel i pay enough taxes. In fact,i feel i already pay too much tax. Feel and did are a different matter, you pay no more than the appropriate rate if all income declared, if you "feel" that by giving cash in hand you are just putting a "bit extra on the table for them" (as they will not be dashing off to the taxman to declare their latest earnings) why not pay them in the way of giving them food or clothing, surely then you will feel all warm and rosy, and all win KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 In fact,i feel i already pay too much tax. I think that this is the crux of the matter in this issue. People feel that they are having to reduce their living standard to afford the massive and ever increasing levels of tax, both direct and on goods, that we are being expected to pay. Most people I know who work are not working to live, they are merely working to exist. Holidays are something that most used to do but no more. Food used to be something you went and brought as you fancied, now it is something you budget for. Taking the kids to the seaside for the day at the weekend used to be an enjoyable family day, now it is something you don't do because of the fuel cost. Would I as a self-employed person take cash payments? Damn right I would, I am sick of paying into this country only to see politicians **** it up the wall. Having said that, unfortunately all my work is in the public domain as it is tied to published planning applications so I couldn't run the risk of not declaring work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 The issues here are Cash Payments, sometimes inconvenient but legit, and Cash in Hand :whistling: . You are not going to stop this when VAT is 20%, Corporation Tax is daft and then there is Personal tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 seeing as it seems there is an "education gap" re where our taxes go here is a little light reading (best viewed with the blinkers off) http://wheredoesmymoneygo.org/ KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellie Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 ive worked all my life,when i needed help i got noware,would i take cash in hand[YES] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 seeing as it seems there is an "education gap" re where our taxes go here is a little light reading (best viewed with the blinkers off) http://wheredoesmymoneygo.org/ KW Not really surprising when in my area out of 32 billion only 2 billion goes on education, with 15 billion going on 'helping others'. Don't see what your point is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) And that my friends is the crux of the problem. We feel we shouldn't pay tax because it's somebody elses problem. I agree with KW (damn). We are going the way of Greece. Very poor trolling fella.The heading says So corrupt nobody pays taxes,and you are comparing them to the UK?Maybe you are on the social and pay nothing,but ask the vast,vast and vast majority of people in the UK if they pay taxes. Wrong,i feel i pay enough taxes. In fact,i feel i already pay too much tax. Feel and did are a different matter, you pay no more than the appropriate rate if all income declared, if you "feel" that by giving cash in hand you are just putting a "bit extra on the table for them" (as they will not be dashing off to the taxman to declare their latest earnings) why not pay them in the way of giving them food or clothing, surely then you will feel all warm and rosy, and all win The word "feel" was used by moi,in response to AVBs usage of the word,and as you are on my level of trolling you will see it was justifyable.Im not thinking of them when i give them cash,im thinking of the extra Glayva i can drink with the money i saved.And anyway,the peasants wouldnt appreciate the Harkila clothing i would give them to keep warm. Edited February 23, 2013 by sako751sg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Avoiding tax by whatever means is rife within any community,from the very top earners to the most lowliest,and while I know the OP doesn't want to include mega companies such as google,starbucks etc,they will always be referred to by means of vindication(even though two wrongs don't mean a right)by those who wish to stay outside of legitimate business practises.The aim is one and the same....to avoid paying tax. I know of one bloke who earns good money as a tradesman 5 days a week for his employed work,but works EVERY weekend for various people for cash in hand.He holidays all over the world. There's a couple of lads whom I doubt the Inland Revenue and social services,even know exist,as they contribute nothing to society and work strictly for cash in hand at a reduced rate.They are never out of work,and are employed by some very wealthy people who are well aware of their circumstances. I have lost count of the number of times I have been asked by customers for either a cash discount or requests to make my invoices out for something they can claim back.What do I do?Say no and never get any repeat work?Times are hard,and I have a mortgage and two children to cater for.I'm afraid my moral issues regarding this aren't a priority at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I do cash in hand at every single opportunity-why should I pay the government to have my bike/.car serviced?If you get to know the managers then a lot of garages are glad to take cash-I can get my Shogun oil/filter and air filter replaced for £50 using fully synthetic oil-if I go to halfords I would struggle to buy the oil for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 There's a couple of lads whom I doubt the Inland Revenue and social services,even know exist,as they contribute nothing to society and work strictly for cash in hand at a reduced rate.They are never out of work,and are employed by some very wealthy people who are well aware of their circumstances. And thats part the reason they get to be wealthy, In fact, people with money are some of the worst for screwing you down on prices and/or paying their bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 id pay cash no problem everyone at the tops keeping their money so would i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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