Paul223 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 the main point, i would think, would be the question the police asked of your doctor and how it is worded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 I think it would be best to speak to the GP concerned first. If the GP will not disclose what has been received and released, you could consider making a Subject Access Request under the Data Protection Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) I'd not bother with the small talk first and ask for the correspondence, stating DPA if necessary to deter them from fobbing you off. Once you have that you can ask detailed questions of both parties, my guess would be the way the police have asked a particular question may leave the doctor between a rock and a hard place (keep in mind they knew which drug you had been prescribed). I'm not to sure the police can ask a question in that way, if the doc has offered info which has not been asked for then why? prejudiced?? Edited April 3, 2013 by Paul223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Getting the letters tomorrow lads so soon find out what has or hasnt been said my doctor is french so not sure if the french are more anti gun? could be she dont like me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 sound, just remember you will need both for the full story, police to doc and doc's reply to police and i'd ask the same from the police too it may cost a few quid but why not eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) Cost me £25 to get a copy of the doctors letter about my son. Turned out to be full of inaccuracies and even the part he quoted from the Transitions team report was completely wrong. PALs service wouldn't touch it, senior partner at the surgery wouldn't do anything about it. FLM agrees it's inaccurate and the FLO's interview etc. was 110% positive but with the letter on file there's no way he'll get an SGC or FAC without something from someone more qualified to overturn it. Due to the complete absence of any help from Social Services we lodged a formal complaint two years ago, even after they agreed with 99% of the complaint points it took over 8 months before anyone actually came to see us, my carers assessment should have been completed last September but again it didn't get completed, they've now pushed it onto his care coordinator to sort out. I've all three of the "health care professionals" he's seen (in 18 months!) to make sure he's assessed with regard to his shooting, each refused saying they couldn't do it but I have the formal complaint response from the NHS Trust management saying they will address it, so even with that it's still taking years to get anything done. Edited April 3, 2013 by phaedra1106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) Getting the letters tomorrow lads so soon find out what has or hasnt been said my doctor is french so not sure if the french are more anti gun? could be she dont like me lolGood luck worth taking the application form guidance with you, doc may be unaware of what she was signing/writing. There may be a BMA guidance document produced http://bma.org.uk/practical-support-at-work/ethics/firearms "In the interim the BMA has agreed that the letters will continue to be sent out to doctors. Doctors are reminded that they are under no obligation to respond to these letters, but should they decide not to, doctors should inform the police as it will otherwise be assumed that there is nothing relevant on the medical record. Where doctors are happy to respond to these letters, consent to the disclosure of any information should be sought as the letter does not currently indicate that consent has been given. If the patient does not consent to disclosure, this should ordinarily be respected, although the police must be informed to that effect. If, however, the doctor believes that the patient presents an immediate risk of serious harm to themselves or others, information should be disclosed even in the face of an explicit refusal." Edited April 3, 2013 by HDAV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 On my last renewal, the doctor refused to reply (covering his own back, after Raoul Moat's rampage 2010). Instead I had to get copies of my medical records and send them to the firearms dpt. (They cost £50) No problems getting the renewal after that, just took time. Good luck for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daks Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Forgive me for being nieave, most of this has gone over my head, fairly new to my own SGC myself.... The way I see it and please correct me if I'm wrong but we have a gentlman who by his own admission has trouble getting out of bed and getting motivated, now as I understand it that is typical behaviour of someone that is depressed, which justifies his prescription of Prozac. Given this fella seems as gentelmanly as the rest of us, but has his GP not made the correct choice ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 The way I see it and please correct me if I'm wrong but we have a gentlman who by his own admission has trouble getting out of bed and getting motivated, now as I understand it that is typical behaviour of someone that is depressed, which justifies his prescription of Prozac? But does that mean he will be a danger to the public or the peace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 The way I see it and please correct me if I'm wrong but we have a gentlman who by his own admission has trouble getting out of bed and getting motivated, now as I understand it that is typical behaviour of someone that is depressed, which justifies his prescription of Prozac? But does that mean he will be a danger to the public or the peace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daks Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 But does that mean he will be a danger to the public or the peace? No idea I don't know him personally, but his doctor does, that's why I was asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) my doctor has probably spent no more than 10 mins in my company in the last two years, I'm not saying it'd be the same for the OP but I'd be surprised if his doc actually knew him, and lets be fair it's not like we go to the docs to tell them how well were feeling, so they get a one sided view and if they've been asked to guarantee his suitability well theres your answer.... Edited April 3, 2013 by Paul223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daks Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Well I wasn't concerned until I read a post made by HDAV stating that people during early stages of prozac are more likely to self harm and have suicidal thoughts, assuming those are facts he pasted, is his GP not justified in his / her decision ? Just seems like common sense given the early nature of Prozac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 they say that on ALL anti depressants and its usually under the age of 25 and usually only occures in the first few weeks/months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Forgive me for being nieave, most of this has gone over my head, fairly new to my own SGC myself.... The way I see it and please correct me if I'm wrong but we have a gentlman who by his own admission has trouble getting out of bed and getting motivated, now as I understand it that is typical behaviour of someone that is depressed, which justifies his prescription of Prozac. Given this fella seems as gentelmanly as the rest of us, but has his GP not made the correct choice ? I'm with you on this one. As shooters we all have sympathy with the situation. But perhaps we should detach ourselves from the emotional sympathetic view. If the doctor has serious concerns then these views should be taken into consideration. We will only know those concerns, and be able then to take a constructive view, if those concerns are posted on PW. Meanwhile I have to wonder whether a pen name of "twistedsanity" is helpful or revealing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Being on Prozac, Ritalin and any SSRI's you're just a bomb waiting to go off. Look at all the shooters in America all those kids were on anti-depressants and it seems like it messed them up and caused them homicidal and suicidal tendencies. Put guns into the equation and you have a very explosive mix. Get rid of the anti-depresants first then apply for a licence, if you can't then no offence but you shouldn't have guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Forgive me for being nieave, most of this has gone over my head, fairly new to my own SGC myself.... The way I see it and please correct me if I'm wrong but we have a gentlman who by his own admission has trouble getting out of bed and getting motivated, now as I understand it that is typical behaviour of someone that is depressed, which justifies his prescription of Prozac. Given this fella seems as gentelmanly as the rest of us, but has his GP not made the correct choice ? I can honestly understand your point of view m8ty Yes im on prozac (have been for 3 years) but im 42 years old,married,5 kids and a grandad and have never been to the doctors complaining of violent thoughts or self harm,just needed some help in a period of my life when i couldnt get my butt out of bed etc,hence i was given prozac (wish i hadnt bothered) My gripe with my doctor is she has had no reason to think im a danger to myself or the public,yet she told the police i am My only focus in life now is to get off these soddin tablet and obtain my sgc so i can go clay shooting and pigeon shooting with my mate not much to ask in life to have a hobby is it :( Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Forgive me for being nieave, most of this has gone over my head, fairly new to my own SGC myself.... The way I see it and please correct me if I'm wrong but we have a gentlman who by his own admission has trouble getting out of bed and getting motivated, now as I understand it that is typical behaviour of someone that is depressed, which justifies his prescription of Prozac. Given this fella seems as gentelmanly as the rest of us, but has his GP not made the correct choice ? I'd not commented on this so far as you only ever hear one side and never quite know who to believe. Though the shootings of others are the ones that get publicised a lot the number of people who do commit suicide with their own guns is quite surprising. I know two people so far that have done it and I see these threads and wonder just how many the FEO knows and often the doctor. Just possibly there is justification behind the actions and all is not as clear as it seems. Edited April 4, 2013 by al4x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Being on Prozac, Ritalin and any SSRI's you're just a bomb waiting to go off. Look at all the shooters in America all those kids were on anti-depressants and it seems like it messed them up and caused them homicidal and suicidal tendencies. Put guns into the equation and you have a very explosive mix. Get rid of the anti-depresants first then apply for a licence, if you can't then no offence but you shouldn't have guns. Disagree there m8ty,for what happened in the states the youngsters must have had a screw loose big time to do what they did,just because you are on prozac or similar doesnt mean you will turn into a killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 I think that my earlier comment might have seemed harsh. I meant get rid of the tablets and then try to get your record set straight from your FEO and the Doctor but getting a shotgun while on these tablets in my opinion is a bad idea. I got no problems with you trying to start a hobby or owning guns, if it came along like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 My gripe with my doctor is she has had no reason to think im a danger to myself or the public,yet she told the police i am Sorry I didnt want to trawl through 8 pages but are you under the impression that she actually told them you are a danger to yourself and the public?! if so I think you have a bigger issue with the doctor than the police. on what clinical basis is she making this wild accusation? is she a psychiatrist? she has no place to make that statement and can only confirm if you are on any drugs that may affect your judgement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Sorry I didnt want to trawl through 8 pages but are you under the impression that she actually told them you are a danger to yourself and the public?! if so I think you have a bigger issue with the doctor than the police. on what clinical basis is she making this wild accusation? is she a psychiatrist? she has no place to make that statement and can only confirm if you are on any drugs that may affect your judgement Been told by my fao (who`s a sound chap) thats basically whats happened but ill have the letters personally later,so will know what has or hasnt been said m8ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry69koi Posted April 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 From the doctors point of view,all she needed to say was the truth..Mr Edwards is on prozac due to him needing motivation due to loosing his house and job(within a week) i take one 20mg tablet per day thats it,not a bucket load that sends my brain haywire Apart from the time she prescribed me prozac ive only been there for the usual chest infections etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Being on Prozac, Ritalin and any SSRI's you're just a bomb waiting to go off. No, sorry this just isn't true. These things aren't used for controlling people who are living on a knife edge between a calm, sane and rational life or going postal and slaughtering their colleagues. Anyone who was that unhinged would be on different medication to Prozac. Look at all the shooters in America all those kids were on anti-depressants and it seems like it messed them up and caused them homicidal and suicidal tendencies. That's the point though - kids, who are on it. It is not supposed to be used on children or adolescents. there are millions of people on this stuff but the only ones you hear going nuts are kids and young adults. Put guns into the equation and you have a very explosive mix. Get rid of the anti-depresants first then apply for a licence, if you can't then no offence but you shouldn't have guns. Like I say, there are loads of people on SSRI's. All they do is balance brain chemicals back to 'normal' levels. Just because you are using them doesn't mean that you are a danger to your self or anyone else and I doubt that many people (if any) are on them because of things like that. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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