overandunder2012 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Well that's one way it could end to be honest I would sooner see him taken out BB i would be interested to know what it was all about if he dies that will never be known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 i would be interested to know what it was all about if he dies that will never be known. I would guess that he and his brother self-radicalised via internet media, they wouldnt be the first. They were apparently into watching the radical preachers on Youtube and were interested in the politics behind the Chechnya conflict. Lots of foreign fighters in places like Syria etc are from the Caucasus region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 i would be interested to know what it was all about if he dies that will never be known. Okay as a compromise let him tell his version of event's and his reasoning behind it,then take him out and shoot him murdering ****** BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 It is, however it is totally in character of an extremist of any background, just because they self identify as a Muslim does not mean they are. and maybe their own words makes out they are? quote from one of them?. He describes himself as speaking Chechen as well as English and Russian and says that his world view is "Islam". KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Unfortunatly a huge portion of them are extremist ..SERIOUSLY? Where does your info come from?......................................................................or will secretly have a smile on their face it it does turn out to be them Show me some info that proves a large section of Muslims are not and do not support terror attacks against the west How many thousands are walking around in this country wearing full burkas i would class them as extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Surprise, surprise, a couple of nice young Muslim lads, seem to recall suggesting that it might be something like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) I hope they catch him alive so that he can be tried and we can hear his justification for placing a bomb in a crowd. However, I suspect he won't be brought in alive. It is unfortunate his elder brother is dead as I suspect he is the brains behind the idea. The 19 year old I think is an unfortunate fool who perhaps looks up to his elder brother and is just a follower rather than a leader. Edited April 19, 2013 by Laird Lugton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 How many thousands are walking around in this country wearing full burkas i would class them as extreme You are kidding that you think wearing their religious dress makes them terrorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 The problem with killing terrorists is that you then don't learn about the driving factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I think you will find (castletyne) was being inflammatory! Don't you have take tablets to stop that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willxx Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I would guess that he and his brother self-radicalised via internet media, they wouldnt be the first. They were apparently into watching the radical preachers on Youtube and were interested in the politics behind the Chechnya conflict. Lots of foreign fighters in places like Syria etc are from the Caucasus region. well thats that sorted then - no need to take it any further? I watch FPS Russia on YouTube - I'm obviously an anti Russian separatist gun nut and hanging around on here backs that up I guess? I don't like conspiracy stuff but every event like this causes rumors and gossip to propagate out of hand and suddenly a suspicion or throw away comment becomes defamatory or even potentially a hate crime these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 The problem with killing terrorists is that you then don't learn about the driving factors. I personally don't care what terrorists driving factors are unless it to helps kill as many of them as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 well thats that sorted then - no need to take it any further? I watch FPS Russia on YouTube - I'm obviously an anti Russian separatist gun nut and hanging around on here backs that up I guess? I don't like conspiracy stuff but every event like this causes rumors and gossip to propagate out of hand and suddenly a suspicion or throw away comment becomes defamatory or even potentially a hate crime these days! Did you mean to quote my post, because most of yours doesnt seem to relate to it. What I said isnt conspiracy or a throw away comment, it is a fact that the key Islamist groups are turning to the internet to encourage people to self radicalise in order to pursue individual jihad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 If he has got away to a bolt hole and has committed suicide then it maybe weeks before he is found. The longer he is out there the more he makes the US authorities look incompetent and the more manpower that is tied up with his capture elevates his standing in the radicalised part of the Muslim world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 If he has got away to a bolt hole and has committed suicide then it maybe weeks before he is found. The longer he is out there the more he makes the US authorities look incompetent and the more manpower that is tied up with his capture elevates his standing in the radicalised part of the Muslim world. He won't have committed suicide, he will want to fight it out and unfortunately is very likely to take other innocent bystanders with him. Got to wonder how many "sleepers" we have here already? This pair of animals had apparently lived in USA for 10 years! Thought the uncle suggesting that he give himself up and ask for forgiveness was a bit of an ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) You are kidding that you think wearing their religious dress makes them terrorists I didnt say they were terrorist i said those in the full burka are extremists and are against anything western Edited April 19, 2013 by castletyne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'm sceptical of how this has unfolded and I'm going to get some tinfoil and wrap up so the yanks cant steal my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 He won't have committed suicide, he will want to fight it out and unfortunately is very likely to take other innocent bystanders with him. Got to wonder how many "sleepers" we have here already? This pair of animals had apparently lived in USA for 10 years! Thought the uncle suggesting that he give himself up and ask for forgiveness was a bit of an ask? They ran out of ammunition and probably explosives in the chase and gun fight with the Police. If they are a self radicalised pair he may have no way of re-arming to fight it out. The thing I find strange is that they were holding up a shop at the start of today's events and that's when it kicked off. Why? I can only think they were trying to provoke a showdown to take as many Police with them as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willxx Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Did you mean to quote my post, because most of yours doesnt seem to relate to it. What I said isnt conspiracy or a throw away comment, it is a fact that the key Islamist groups are turning to the internet to encourage people to self radicalise in order to pursue individual jihad. Sorry - I was making 2 points but sort of joined (?) 1st sweeping statements about people's internet history is possibly ill advised these days 2nd the law can now use forum posts as a basis for action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Fair enough, but I'm happy to stand by what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I personally don't care what terrorists driving factors are unless it to helps kill as many of them as possible. But unless you understand the root causes you can't eliminate the threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig hill Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) Second one is in custody, hiding in a boat in a back garden I believe. Edited April 20, 2013 by craig hill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Second one is in custody, hiding in a boat in a back garden I believe. Yes, he is in a medical centre being treated for serious injuries. Once they save his life he can get ready for an interesting time culminating in his trial, conviction and a very long stay in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 now they got him it will be interesting to see how this plays out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) now they got him it will be interesting to see how this plays out I'm not sure in which context you mean. However, he will be tried on multiple murder counts etc and sentenced to Death (if they have it there) or multiple life sentences, whichever way you want to look at it he will never be allowed out of prison. Edited April 20, 2013 by Dekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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