the bulgarians and romanians

[BaconBoy]

People said the same when the Poles starting comming here,but a little thing to ponder on-who do you think picks your sprouts etc for Christmas?

 

If you go into Peterborough in the wee small hours like i do you'll see coaches picking up hundreds of them from points around the city and being ferried either directly to the fields or the various vegetable packing plants around Cambridegshire and Norfolk.I will freely admit that the thought of picking sprouts on a freezing cold January day fills me with dread yet they just get on with it so they have my respect.They're certainly not work shy like some British people i could mention.

 

there are plenty of poles here that are workshy though,only here to scrounge and get as much as they can out of the system.

p's me off ,the idea that the poles are all hard working honest grafters...they are not,they have there fair share of scumbags as well.

[castletyne]

People said the same when the Poles starting comming here,but a little thing to ponder on-who do you think picks your sprouts etc for Christmas?

 

If you go into Peterborough in the wee small hours like i do you'll see coaches picking up hundreds of them from points around the city and being ferried either directly to the fields or the various vegetable packing plants around Cambridegshire and Norfolk.I will freely admit that the thought of picking sprouts on a freezing cold January day fills me with dread yet they just get on with it so they have my respect.They're certainly not work shy like some British people i could mention.

On some farms its ilegal overstayers from India living 12 to a house getting about £15 a day with free rent

 

Farmer hires them through an agency and pays the agency minimum wage for them so his hands are clean when the border agency turns up at the farm

 

its not all hard working Europeans doing jobs that's below us

[maxie]

My mother has Romanian carers,when they asked for a day off they were told by the care agency that they were employed on a 365 day contract,so not entitled to a day off.It`s no wonder some employers want immigrant labour they are so easy to exploit.

[aris]

I'm dismayed that people are so willing to exploit ther fellow humans. It sounds a bit like slavery.

[Thunderbird]

All this stuff about no holiday and no sick pay and wages below minimum...hmmm, there are literally armies of specialist claims firms catering to every eastern European worker you can think of, herding them like cattle into employment tribunals (which at the moment are still free, and will continue to be free after the summer for many low-income people).

 

Think web sites only in Polish, Czech etc and you get the picture. I know of many cases like this at the moment, and whilst you do hear horror stories about agencies, especially in the food arena (gangmasters), to be honest I would take a lot of it with a pinch of salt. All any EU worker has to do is go down the high street to Pertemps, Reed, Blue Arrow, or Mr Private Agency and get the same protection and statutory rights as a UK worker.

 

Foreign workers (the ones with the right to work anyway) know their rights believe you me, and if they don't at the moment they will very soon.

 

In fact the Poles are the ones with their feet very firmly under the table now and are bemoaning the coming influx of Romanians and Bulgars...bloody foreigners coming here taking our jobs etc etc.

 

 

[Bluebarrels]

corker BB

[Vince Green]

So your solution is?? Get this right and you have my vote!! Lol

 

Royal

Stop the benefits, make the bone idle British layabouts work (or let them starve) and we won't need the migrants to do the jobs. We have all the people we need already. Employ a British person at the moment and he is just begging you to sack him so he can get back on the dole. With no dole its shape up and work or starve. If they don't like the job they can make themselves more employable and try to get a better one.

Edited April 23, 2013 by Vince Green

[gemini52]

I'm over in australia at the moment and am the equivalent to the Romanians etc here. All fruit picking work is done by backpackers.......why...... Because they are the only ones willing to do it. Australians, like the Brits here, turn our nose up at it. Hey it gained me enough money for beer drinking and travelling

Getting enough money to drink beer and travel wil not pay your rent or mortgage,your council tax put food on the table and pay bills,thats why foreign labour can afford to do this type of work,they will live in a tent or house share for three months earn their money then sod off back home.

[castletyne]

Must depend on what part of the country your in as round here you will have no problem finding hard working Brits

 

If some are to believed the only workers they can find are foreign

 

I have people asking if I have any vacancies on a weekly basis

[unapalomablanca]

The argument that foreign workers are being paid less than the minimum wage, or "under the radar" and this is the reason that home grown Brits aren't doing these jobs, is quite interesting.

 

How is it then that our NHS is full, from cleaners up to Consultants, with "foreign" workers all being paid on the same scale as home grown Brits, but must seriously outnumber them ?

I think in the case of the 'lower jobs' so to speak, the benefits system has paid too much for too little in return, therefore ruling out a large amount of brits. In the case of the top jobs such as consultants, i think the abolition of grammar schools has reduced the amount of top people and also a possible brain drain to the new world could account for so many foreign doctors. I will say that the foreign doctors i have encountered have been both professional and courteous.

[aris]

I think in the case of the 'lower jobs' so to speak, the benefits system has paid too much for too little in return, therefore ruling out a large amount of brits. In the case of the top jobs such as consultants, i think the abolition of grammar schools has reduced the amount of top people and also a possible brain drain to the new world could account for so many foreign doctors. I will say that the foreign doctors i have encountered have been both professional and courteous.

A couple I have encountered struggled to string a sentence togeter in English.

[Gav912]

We actually pay them above minimum wage and get the same entitlement as the rest of us do, all through the books and via AWB recommendations. We've actually had requests from them to come back the following year as we treat them so well and make them feel a valued part of the team. They have told us some horror stories from large fruit farms where they have been though.

 

The scheme we use is no different to ag students from this country going to work in the USA or Australia for a season before coming home again. The chap we had last year used to spend 8hrs a day washing the inside of steel tanks out in hot conditions and get paid £15 a day for doing so back in Bulgaria so its easy to see why they want to come here for the summer.

[pegleg31]

A farmer quoted on Radio 4's 'Farming Today' said pretty much the same about the uk naive labour force, work shy and unreliable, where as the Romainian pickers that he employed worked hard. But For the 3 months that they worked for him, they earned enough to live a good life back home for up to two years of not working.

 

Our own have a lot to answer for, the 'Nah, bruv, I ain't gettin outa me pit for less than 400 note in me bin , lite doh' types.

 

Pay me the equivalent of 2 years pay in three months and I'll do 23 hour days. Personally I don't have a problem with foreign labour, It's the greedy british people employing them for less that winds me up. I worked with some poles, some had no driving licence or Insurance but still drove. They also live in crammed houses so don't have the living costs the we do.

[Gimlet]

I'm over in australia at the moment and am the equivalent to the Romanians etc here. All fruit picking work is done by backpackers.......why...... Because they are the only ones willing to do it. Australians, like the Brits here, turn our nose up at it. Hey it gained me enough money for beer drinking and travelling

 

Don't know what its like over there now, but I was travelling round Aus with the missus in 2000. The only farm work we could find that year was around the sugar cane region of northern Queensland. No one would touch us. If we turned up at a farm everyone disappeared and wouldn't talk to us. It turned out the problem was we weren't staying in the local back-packer hostels. The owners of the farms, particularly the banana plantations who were often Vietnamese, also owned the hostels. You could only apply for farm work through the hostel if you were staying there. As soon you checked out you lost your job. It was an absolute racket. They paid miniscule cash wages at the farm and took it of you again when you got back to the hostel. They got their crops picked for nothing. Apparently this was perfectly legal, though employing foreigners who didn't have work visas carried a $30,000 fine for the employer and instant expulsion for the worker.

We gave up on the farms but we did manage to get a job each in a little motel in Townsville. The missus was chambermaid and I worked in the garden and cleaned the pool. We got paid very little but they were lovely people and they fed us and let us use the pool between guests. Bargain. I've always liked Townsville ever since.

[digger]

I have worked with English tradesmen, some where ok . Most wanted top dollar and to be in the pub by four. Saturday working meant to lunchtime and expecting a full days pay. General topic of conversation was how them eropeeeans robbed them of work, whilst oggling page three and showing off their tats.

Oops, what a sweeping generalisation.

Seiously, Id rather pick a good worker over a rubbish one.

[spanj]

On some farms its ilegal overstayers from India living 12 to a house getting about £15 a day with free rent

 

Farmer hires them through an agency and pays the agency minimum wage for them so his hands are clean when the border agency turns up at the farm

 

its not all hard working Europeans doing jobs that's below us

If this is true (& I'm not saying its not), then you must report it to DSS, HMRC, Border Agency........... whoever. Its the only way to stop it ! And I dont want to hear the "I'm not a grass" line from anybody

 

I'm dismayed that people are so willing to exploit ther fellow humans. It sounds a bit like slavery.

Agencies........... the worst thing to happen to the working man

[Beardo]

One the migrant worker / backpacker tip... I worked driving tractors cutting the cotton stalks after the combines had been through when i was in Australia in 1990 - i worked 12 hour shifts from midnight until midday for a month, then my mate did the other 12 hours - Tractor never stopped. Moree in NSW. Bloody hard work, though it paid for the rest of my travels.

Most of the other farm workers were English or Canadian backpackers.

[spanj]

One the migrant worker / backpacker tip... I worked driving tractors cutting the cotton stalks after the combines had been through when i was in Australia in 1990 - i worked 12 hour shifts from midnight until midday for a month, then my mate did the other 12 hours - Tractor never stopped. Moree in NSW. Bloody hard work, though it paid for the rest of my travels.

Most of the other farm workers were English or Canadian backpackers.

On one of the farms I shoot the shepherd was a kiwi........ this is in N wales !!! Farmer told me that the local lads didnt want to do it.

[ordnance]

The RAF and other armed services were glad of the polish volunteers during the war.

[FalconFN]

 

On one of the farms I shoot the shepherd was a kiwi........ this is in N wales !!! Farmer told me that the local lads didnt want to do it.

A lot of Kiwi shearers come over here and move from farm to farm as they have the speed and skills to process lots of sheep quickly. They don't get much per sheep so speed counts.

[Boromir]

Im with Vince Green stop benefits and make the lazy ****** work for the money the want.

 

And we only talking of jobs here, what about schools, hospitals, housing and crime? My great uncle who is diabetic had to go for an operation to help the blood flow to his legs twice was turned back from the hospital cause of no beds eventually had to go to a hospital that was further away.

Edited April 24, 2013 by Beardo
removed swearing

[castletyne]

If this is true (& I'm not saying its not), then you must report it to DSS, HMRC, Border Agency........... whoever. Its the only way to stop it ! And I dont want to hear the "I'm not a grass" line from anybody

 

Agencies........... the worst thing to happen to the working man

 

 

It did get raided it was on Border force it was a farm in Norfolk i think

 

The border agency said it was happening up and down the country illegals working for gangmasters and east Europeans signing onto to so called work agencies back in their country then coming here

[Psyxologos]

Im with Vince Green stop benefits and make the lazy ####s work for the money the want.

 

+1

 

This is exactly my sentiment. Get these pot smoking, lager gushing tatoo covered chavs to do something useful with their existence. I would love to see them work the long hours most migrant workers have to put in in orger to put food on their family's table. As long as chav scum get free homes, and have their flat screen tv sets and game consoles subsidised by the tax payer all they will do is smoke drugs, get drunk and procreate.

[Vince Green]

If this is true (& I'm not saying its not), then you must report it to DSS, HMRC, Border Agency........... whoever. Its the only way to stop it ! And I dont want to hear the "I'm not a grass" line from anybody

 

Agencies........... the worst thing to happen to the working man

There are hundreds of illegal Indians round here, most work in the buildings for about £25 a day. Everybody knows who they are and where they are but the authorities can't send them home because they have destroyed their paperwork and the Indian Government won't accept them back without proof of who they are.

 

So everybody just ignores them, DSS, HMRC, Border Agency don't want to know.

 

This is about five miles from where I live

 

Edited April 24, 2013 by Vince Green

[old rooster]

Well one thing is for sure, if Cameron lets them in there is no way he will get a second term and neither would he deserve one! This unregulated immigration problem needs to be addressed properly.

 

Although we all know the dangers of believing too much of what we read in opinion polls it was interesting to see what proportion of the people in the countries mentioned wanted to move here, the same people asked whether they would move here if they didn't immediately qualify for benefits was a good deal less so it doesn't take an Einstein to work out what the idea is?

 

Many live lives of abject poverty so living over here off our backs must seem like a great option! If put in their shoes what would we do?

 

I really can't see that it is morally defensible to allow people from any other country to come here and take state benefits that they have made no contribution towards? Is there anybody who can give me one valid reason why it is right? Because the EU says so doesn't count as a valid argument and don't even think about the "well you can go there as well" reply as that makes about as much sense.

 

No doubt some will trot out the cultural diversity claptrap but that doesn't wash either.

 

Try getting into any other country worth living in without a job lined up, a bill of good health, cash behind you and or a sponsor and you will be hard pushed.

 

With 3,000,000 or so unemployed we really can't use the old rot about needing more workers, we need to shift some of those living off the backs of others out of their beds and back to work.

 

B liar and Co told us that the take up when he Poles were allowed in wouldn't be very high and look what happened there! Even established Polish people over here were against the unchecked inrush we had back then. Have we learned nothing from that???