Wiggum Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 Just been speaking to a mate who's been stripping and cleaning his hatsan after a round on the clays today and he's found the choke really hard to remove and it seems the barrel is slightly bulged around the choke and there is some slight damage to the choke itself. I think his choke has worked at some point and caused the issue but he did fire a cart which had a strange report but I can't see a faulty cart causing this damage on its own so what do the pigeon watch massive thought the issue could be ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 new barrel I think, It doesn't seem safe to use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 Ring bulge. Usually caused by an obstruction which was, again, usually initially positioned on the chamber side of the bulge itself. If, like in this instance, it occurred near the muzzle, the obstruction (mud snow, whatever) was often cleared leaving the shooter wondering what the hell happened. And then, to really confuse the issue, some Wally invented multi chokes. Either there was an obstruction or the choke had become loose and was therefore itself the culprit. On a clay range, my money is on the latter cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B B Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 Possible the strange report shell was indeed an obstriction that inadvertantly blocked the barrel making the shell sound faulty and hense the bulge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markhoward13 Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 I think there was a topic about Hatsan chokes a while back. Something about the way they meet the barrel allowing led to push up the side of the chokes causing a similar situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted May 26, 2013 Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 What model Hatsan was it? webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggum Posted May 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2013 What model Hatsan was it? webber Not too sure but one of the earlier ones has the release button for the action built into the loading gate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Loose choke, if its under warranty could try getting it sorted but its ultimately user error. I grease mine so they don't come out as easy, don't use oil though it makes it worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Is the barrel for sale? I want a 24" barrel for my old Hatsan Escort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggum Posted May 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Is the barrel for sale? I want a 24" barrel for my old Hatsan Escort. I'm not sure what he's doing yet but can ask him for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Engineering, design, and quality control on early Hatsans was appalling (it's better now but still has a long way to go). Some of the early chokes left a small shoulder in the barrel because of VERY poor tolerances and this caused several barrels to either let go completely at the end or simply bulge, my lads let go completely, split, bulged and sent shards of the choke and barrel all over the county. This is well known to Hatsan/Edgar Bros and getting earlier barrels changed was routine under warranty. This far down the line it is possible Edgars may not be so keen and suggest that perhaps the choke wasn't tight/whatever. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggum Posted May 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 I've told him to get it sorted and chop it in against a beretta/browning. Never had issues with the browning Phoenix I had or the beretta A400 I've got now. I'm not a gun snob but you get what you pay for at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabarm gamma boy Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 I've told him to get it sorted and chop it in against a beretta/browning. Never had issues with the browning Phoenix I had or the beretta A400 I've got now. I'm not a gun snob but you get what you pay for at the end of the day. its true, as i was always told "buy cheap, buy twice" iv had cheaper end guns over the years and always had issues after abit of use! my 301 is 33years old and still going strong as it did when.new! same goes for my winchester model 400 (101) and that was built mid 80s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Sounds like the choke wasnt scewed in tight DONT FIRE IT AGAIN ! Barrels arnt hard to come by I might even have a second hand one in stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Engineering, design, and quality control on early Hatsans was appalling (it's better now but still has a long way to go). Some of the early chokes left a small shoulder in the barrel because of VERY poor tolerances and this caused several barrels to either let go completely at the end or simply bulge, my lads let go completely, split, bulged and sent shards of the choke and barrel all over the county. This is well known to Hatsan/Edgar Bros and getting earlier barrels changed was routine under warranty. This far down the line it is possible Edgars may not be so keen and suggest that perhaps the choke wasn't tight/whatever. Good luck. I dont think the Build quality is the problem, i've Sold and repaired guns that go into four figures now, i've seen a few barrel bulges None have been Hatsans. All bulges at the choke that i have dealt with have been User error, normally with the gun being fired with a loose choke, i have had a Beretta where the choke was Massivly over tightned causing barrel damage I have sold well over 50 Hatsans All cycled Fine, Yes the Bulid quality is not to the same standard as a Beretta/ Winchester BUT what do you expect for £200 to £300 ? They are Fantastic Reliable hard wearing guns PS Dont check your Choke while the Gun is Loaded !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I dont think the Build quality is the problem, i've Sold and repaired guns that go into four figures now, i've seen a few barrel bulges None have been Hatsans. All bulges at the choke that i have dealt with have been User error, normally with the gun being fired with a loose choke, i have had a Beretta where the choke was Massivly over tightned causing barrel damage I have sold well over 50 Hatsans All cycled Fine, Yes the Bulid quality is not to the same standard as a Beretta/ Winchester BUT what do you expect for £200 to £300 ? They are Fantastic Reliable hard wearing guns PS Dont check your Choke while the Gun is Loaded !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I expect a SAFE gun, the early Hatsans were not, as per my post which is accurate and honest, please be mindful of the wording of my post, and the FAULTY GUN/ENGINEERING/QUALITY CONTROL was verified and checked by the RFD and Edgar Bros! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 It might be worth cutting the barrel down and use it as a open choke,i know of a few people doing this without a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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