Vipa Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 god it makes you feel strange when you drop them off at school the morning after, in my case she was 17 and I was only 25 but still ahh the momories Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Are we having a sweep? Ill have 4 years - breach of trust and going not guilty will put the numbers up. Perhaps a bit harsh really when a serial nonce like Stuart Hall got 15 months. There we go. He knew the score - already having Googled it to check what he would face. Whether they genuinely think something of each other, he was a teacher, in a position of trust. He abused the trust. I wonder who thought up his brilliant defence - it was a bit amateurish to say the least. 3 years would be my guess. I will go with 3.5 years,not the full sentence available,but enough to send a message out to people in a position of trust.I think Mungler is right the not guilty plea was not his best option and will only go to adding to the sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) He should have gone with guilty straight off, hands up and a big apology with lots of mitigation and extenuating circumstances. He would have got off lightly. What people don't appreciate is that with an early hands up you normally get 50% off for starters. Add in ruined career, not a classic paedo scenario and a "one off", ruined life due to media interest and not a danger to the public who knows - with burgeoning prison populations and so on he might got away with a tag and time served on remand. The Courts hate a "not guilty" plea running to a full blown trial - it's expensive and it shows you don't accept what you have done is wrong (the corner stone of most justice systems). If he gets a soft Judge 2 years at best. It's child abduction and coupled with the aggravating factors say that on the mandatory sentancing guidelines (whatever the Judge reckons) he's getting a good bowl of porridge. Edited June 21, 2013 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Yes.. I have 2, a 20 year old and a ten year old, my wife is 9 years my younger and I was well aware when I was at school that a good chunk of the 5th year girls (so 15 at the time) were dating much older guys... you know, the ones who used to come to see them at lunch-time and pull up on the motorbikes. If you think this doesn't go on you are naïve. most 15 year old lads are far too immature for your average 15 year old girl and even 15 year old girls are very manipulative and find it easy to get what they want! I am not condoning it, if it was my daughter I would be horrified and yes, it is an abuse of trust, however, to label him a paedophile is very harsh.. what will you think if they are married and living happily ever after in 10, 20 years? will he still be a monster? sometimes love comes along when you least expect it and when you could really do without it! Oh I know it goes on, as I said I have BOYS, one of who is 15 and my wife wont trust him with his girlfriend!!!!!! If and it's a very big if, they are still together after a number of years, he will no longer be a monster as she will be well over the age of consent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Are we having a sweep? Ill have 4 years... Hung by his testicles and poked with pointy sticks until he cries, and if the court doesn`t do that then we should all go down and raze it to the ground with them all in it. 42 months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I'll say 5.5 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) I'll say 5.5 years! OWWWW big betting on the upper end,a man who likes to take a risk Just saw sky news,Dirty harry insider trading Edited June 21, 2013 by welsh1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Lucky guess. :lol: I have no time for the bloke but I think 5.5 years is a bit stiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) Hung by his testicles and poked with pointy sticks until he cries, Some people would pay damned good money for that kind of service Henry! Edited June 21, 2013 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Some people would pay damned good money for that kind of service Henry! No worries mate, my fees are reasonable, what`s your address? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 No worries mate, my fees are reasonable, what`s your address? Who sir?... me sir?... Yeah right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) 5 1/2 years. Blimey. I dunno what went on with his defence team and what instructions he gave and what advice he received but the whole teacher with 15 year old pupil abroad thing with a "not guilty plea". Yeah, good luck with that. Incidentally, I just read the jury took 2 hours to find him guilty. That's guilty with a capital "G" (and a side note of you have wasted our time ) EDIT: Looks like I was the closet with 4 years and even then I was 28% under cooked. Harsh-don't-mess-with-the-pupils-tastic Edited June 21, 2013 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I'll say 5.5 years! And the winner is....................................... 5 1/2 years. Blimey. I dunno what went on with his defence team and what instructions he gave and what advice he received but the whole teacher with 15 year old pupil abroad thing with a "not guilty plea". Yeah, good luck with that. Incidentally, I just read the jury took 2 hours to find him guilty. That's guilty with a capital "G" (and a side note of you have wasted our time ) EDIT: Looks like I was the closet with 4 years and even then I was 28% under cooked. Harsh-don't-mess-with-the-pupils-tastic Try Specsavers!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 And the winner is....................................... He posted that after the sentence was handed down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Given what a real nonce like Stuart Hall got, 5.5 is very harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montybhoy67 Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 5 1/2 years seems rather steep, especially when Stuart hall only gets 15 Months for Sexually Assaulting 14 Girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Mungler, did you really mean..........'I was the closet?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 He posted that after the sentence was handed down See you do care!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Given what a real nonce like Stuart Hall got, 5.5 is very harsh. or is what Stuart Hall got the real joke. One things sure there will be a lot of worried teachers about after that sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Nothing funny about that, but I know what you mean Alex. or is what Stuart Hall got the real joke. One things sure there will be a lot of worried teachers about after that sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 the bit that gets me a little though I can see the logic for it is the assumption he would have got far less for pleading guilty. Now if he didn't believe he was guilty why should he plead guilty, personally I don't think he abducted her against her will so though we can all agree it was an abuse of trust whether it was abduction is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 (edited) He Googled what he would get, so he must have considered that he would be found guilty. As for the abduction - he only got a year for that. I'm with Mungler on this. A truly awful defence "strategy" - and that is being charitable. Pleads "Not Guilty", won't take the stand, arrested in France in the full glare of TV, newspapers etc. Bang to rights. Just what planet were they on when they went along with a "Not guilty". It certainly wasn't Planet Reality. Edited June 21, 2013 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I`m sure she will wait for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 as others have said, in the light of stuart hall getting 15 months for much more nefarious, predatory crimes it seems a little harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I`m sure she will wait for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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