jasper3 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 many many years ago when i was at school, many many girls and boys where having sex.... thats a fact... ok! in this case, the guy did the wrong thing..as many have said, he broke his position of trust... but lets not live in cuckoo land... there are plenty of under 16's having sex, I know we would all love to think that kids wouldn't even think about sex at that age, but come ! do you really think they don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 many many years ago when i was at school, many many girls and boys where having sex.... thats a fact... ok! in this case, the guy did the wrong thing..as many have said, he broke his position of trust... but lets not live in cuckoo land... there are plenty of under 16's having sex, I know we would all love to think that kids wouldn't even think about sex at that age, but come ! do you really think they don't It's not a question about kids having sex, it is the misuse of a position of trust,he was a teacher,she was in his care while in school,he could exert a lot of authority over her and manipulate her,what he did was totally wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 It's not a question about kids having sex, it is the misuse of a position of trust,he was a teacher,she was in his care while in school,he could exert a lot of authority over her and manipulate her,what he did was totally wrong. So, if he was just some bloke down the road, not in a position of trust, you'd view it differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 So, if he was just some bloke down the road, not in a position of trust, you'd view it differently? No, it would still be an adult manipulating a child, and he should be prosecuted, but he was also in a position of trust and so this should be reflected in his sentencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 it is very common for this sort of thing to happen, the school is making a big thing about it because it makes them look bad and the parents are too because it makes them look bad, When it comes to the sex offence part how do they know they have? haven't they both just said we didnt do anything? is it actually illegal for a 15 year old to go abroad with someone or is it just that she didnt have her parents permission? My niece was telling me how at her school its common for some of the 13 year old girls to go out at night and going off with much older blokes these big age gaps happen all the time but i dont know why but some people cant get around the fact that some of these girls are more than willing and instigate it. (im not saying its right) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorevans Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 When I was at school my French teacher married one of his students, apparently they were 'together' but not openly untill she had finished her A levels and he was quite honest about it when the rumours circulated and the facts needed to be told. Far from being punished or excluded from teaching he became head of French and of year group. Think this guy possibly abused his position of trust but a pedophile? No, she was quite sentient and willing by the sounds of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 I met a guy who did something similar but actually left his job at the school so he could see a student, they were married and lived together quite well. Dont think she was underage or anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 It is against the law,it is taken seriously enough to have its own little piece of law,he knew the consequences and now the idiot will pay the price. http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/s16_abuse_of_a_position_of_trust_sexual_activity_with_a_child/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) No, it would still be an adult manipulating a child, and he should be prosecuted, but he was also in a position of trust and so this should be reflected in his sentencing. It is against the law,it is taken seriously enough to have its own little piece of law,he knew the consequences and now the idiot will pay the price. http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/s16_abuse_of_a_position_of_trust_sexual_activity_with_a_child/ Except he's been convicted of abduction, not abusing a position of trust or a sex crime. So, if anything, the fact that she was a willing party to the 'abduction' should mean a lighter sentence than if he had snatched her off the street, for example. Edited June 20, 2013 by paul65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Except he's been convicted of abduction, not abusing a position of trust or a sex crime. So, if anything, the fact that she was a willing party to the 'abduction' should mean a lighter sentence than if he had snatched her off the street, for example. And the abduction sentence can be up to 7 years,the abuse only carries up to 5 years, the cps aren't as daft as they seem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 The point is that she is legaly a child and therefore not fully emotionally mature. Her wishes don't come into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 And the abduction sentence can be up to 7 years,the abuse only carries up to 5 years, the cps aren't as daft as they seem. Could be, and we'll see what he gets. But it seems unlikely that he's going to get a maximum sentence for abducting someone who willingly went with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 I did feel the comments made by the prosecuting barrister about his (soon to be ex?) wife were uncalled for and not relevant to the case. Despite there apparently being 'some' mitigating factors he was always going to be found guilty. I wonder if the sentence will reflect her apparent willingness to be involved? I did feel the comments made by the prosecuting barrister about his (soon to be ex?) wife were uncalled for and not relevant to the case. Despite there apparently being 'some' mitigating factors he was always going to be found guilty. I wonder if the sentence will reflect her apparent willingness to be involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) I did feel the comments made by the prosecuting barrister about his (soon to be ex?) wife were uncalled for and not relevant to the case. Despite there apparently being 'some' mitigating factors he was always going to be found guilty. I wonder if the sentence will reflect her apparent willingness to be involved? You mean suggesting that because his wife is young looking and petite, he must be a sicko? Edited June 20, 2013 by paul65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 She was 14 when they had 'the first kiss' I hate teenagers but then again I am not a paedophile If any teacher was kissing my daughter at that age or run away to france with her I would be very cross. I pay my taxes for people like him to teach my daughter not **** her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymaster Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 What they did IN France was not illegal in France. Age of consent is 14 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Are we having a sweep? Ill have 4 years - breach of trust and going not guilty will put the numbers up. Perhaps a bit harsh really when a serial nonce like Stuart Hall got 15 months. There we go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I'm sure I heard on the news that he ran away with her after she threatened to commit suicide. Looks like they were both manipulating each other. He has groomed a child into having sex with him and running away with him and you don't think he is a peadophile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 He has groomed a child into having sex with him and running away with him and you don't think he is a peadophile? Or has she groomed an older chap? Apparently as he was led from the doc he mouthed "I love you" she, in tears mouthed "i'll wait for you" Life is unfair sometimes and throws curve balls, whilst not legal, I do fear this has been over sensationalised and he has been demonised by the press! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Or has she groomed an older chap? Apparently as he was led from the doc he mouthed "I love you" she, in tears mouthed "i'll wait for you" Life is unfair sometimes and throws curve balls, whilst not legal, I do fear this has been over sensationalised and he has been demonised by the press! Do you have any daughters? I only have sons, but I could not "forgive" this ***. He was in a position of trust and FAILED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Or has she groomed an older chap? Apparently as he was led from the doc he mouthed "I love you" she, in tears mouthed "i'll wait for you" Life is unfair sometimes and throws curve balls, whilst not legal, I do fear this has been over sensationalised and he has been demonised by the press! Maybe its a reflection of other crimes we have seen where a number of men groom young girls for sex (of ethnic background). Maybe the bar has been set by outrage at that and this cannot be 'seen' differently. However, again I agree with Vipa - must be getting old (er). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 She is a disturbed young girl with family problems, he is an adult with a duty of care for his pupils and is a married man. He is aware of the law regarding minors and should have delt with the problem in a more professional mature manner. He was not approached in a bar by an attractive young girl pretending to be older than her years, he knew her age. I not totally unsympathetic to the situation as a school friend and her teacher were attracted to one another. She was 17 and they waited until she left school before dating and university before marrying and have been together over 40 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 He knew the score - already having Googled it to check what he would face. Whether they genuinely think something of each other, he was a teacher, in a position of trust. He abused the trust. I wonder who thought up his brilliant defence - it was a bit amateurish to say the least. 3 years would be my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Do you have any daughters? I only have sons, but I could not "forgive" this ***. He was in a position of trust and FAILED! Yes.. I have 2, a 20 year old and a ten year old, my wife is 9 years my younger and I was well aware when I was at school that a good chunk of the 5th year girls (so 15 at the time) were dating much older guys... you know, the ones who used to come to see them at lunch-time and pull up on the motorbikes. If you think this doesn't go on you are naïve. most 15 year old lads are far too immature for your average 15 year old girl and even 15 year old girls are very manipulative and find it easy to get what they want! I am not condoning it, if it was my daughter I would be horrified and yes, it is an abuse of trust, however, to label him a paedophile is very harsh.. what will you think if they are married and living happily ever after in 10, 20 years? will he still be a monster? sometimes love comes along when you least expect it and when you could really do without it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 god it makes you feel strange when you drop them off at school the morning after, in my case she was 17 and I was only 25 but still ahh the momories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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