Bleeh Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 I'm still trying to find more information on the picture, and I'm sorry if it's been posted before.It's a good example of why broadside is best, though.http://i.imgur.com/rHmBBz2.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 No, it is a good example of why, if you are incompetent,. you shouldn't shoot anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 +1 Really Nasty what a nightmare situation to be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 I hope that animal was despatched prior to the photo being taken... The number one priority is to minimise suffering...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Is that a legit picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Why do people take shots at live quarry when they are incompetent ? Life (any sort) is too important and valuable to risk such suffering. Makes you ashamed to be a shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Why do people take shots at live quarry when they are incompetent ? Life (any sort) is too important and valuable to risk such suffering. Makes you ashamed to be a shooter. It does make you ashamed , the suffering that animal went through is disgusting if that picture is legit of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 It does make you ashamed , the suffering that animal went through is disgusting if that picture is legit of course True Fruity but its not the first photo to appear, in a similar vein, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRamsay Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Jeees, That deer must have been in some pain, I did,nt enjoy looking at that picture, an wishing i had,nt looked now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzab Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Sometihing dont look right there. Has that been edited??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pigeon man Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Disgusting poor sod :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Simple facts are deer move their heads about a fair bit and it only takes a moment to happen no matter how competent the shooter, if you regularly take head shots it will happen eventually and you won't be able to do a thing about it as the deer will be very mobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 i hope that was dispatched ASAP...not a nice picture, wish i hadnt looked at it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Hit them in the chest and they die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Simple facts are deer move their heads about a fair bit and it only takes a moment to happen no matter how competent the shooter, if you regularly take head shots it will happen eventually and you won't be able to do a thing about it as the deer will be very mobile So I see your post as a very experienced shooter what would you do? Please take this the right way I have never been deer stalking but am considering it & will research it before I start, I'd jus t like to know how you would deal with or avoid this situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Poor sod, I'm surprised that such damage would have not made it bleed out though? (no deer stalking experience) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 So I see your post as a very experienced shooter what would you do? Please take this the right way I have never been deer stalking but am considering it & will research it before I start, I'd jus t like to know how you would deal with or avoid this situation You avoid it by shooting them in the heart lung area, simple it gives you a large margin for error. I've done head shots in park culls but you know if you cock it up there you will catch up with them. Even a decent dog won't sort out one with a missing jaw as it will keep moving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 With the price of venison now many are taking head shots to reduce carcass damage, butchers like animals head shot,it makes for a nice clean carcass. A heart/lung shot doesnt do that much meat damage but its never easy to shoot an animal square on thus shoulder damage. The deer initiative and BDS recomment boiler room shots on deer to save animal suffering, a head shot is a very small target. A high neck shot should be more risk free, I have head shot deer when the situation is right, and luckily on those occasions I have had 100% success, the main considerations have been good rest eg highseat and no more than 100yds. From sticks in the field I would not head shoot at any range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 There's a particular high seat I shoot where deer come in very close and I often head or neck shoot those. The ideal presentation for a short range head shot is with the animal facing directly away from me and the bullet placed in the Atlas joint. You cannot hit the jaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Sometihing dont look right there. Has that been edited??? I agree that the photo just doesn't look right! Even so I believe that head shots should only be taken by competent shooters and only in the right situations i.e. Park culling where there is less margin for error (Closer ranges than normal stalking) and the deer are enclosed and can not escape if the shot were by any chance to go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 I agree that the photo just doesn't look right! Even so I believe that head shots should only be taken by competent shooters and only in the right situations i.e. Park culling where there is less margin for error (Closer ranges than normal stalking) and the deer are enclosed and can not escape if the shot were by any chance to go wrong. Park shooting can be very difficult. The animals know what you're going to do and they know they can't get away. They'll get the maximum distance from you that they can and they learn every trick in the book to make the shot difficult. Sometimes head shots are the only option, not because the artificial environment makes it easier, but because you cannot stop the animals bunching. I know someone who owns a park herd and he head shoots with a .22-250 with ballistic tips. Its often pure sniping and quite difficult shooting. Its turned him into a hell of a marksman on wild stalked deer though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Is that legal? as when I did some we had to adhere to the usual uk deer laws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Yep. Fully enclosed, closed herd, that is isolated from wild stock and farmed for meat. Classed as livestock I think. Though you can't handle them. If you need to get hold of one its a dart-gun job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mereside Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 I am not saying to head shoot but in certain situations high neck or head shot is all that can be taken. if you are managing deer or cull targets to meet then its a whole different thing to recreational stalking. the picture in question is not a pretty sight and the animal would have been in terrible pain. I hope you managed to get a shot I for one would have shot it first the took the picture. I would like to ask all who only chest shoot or say they do to tell me how you chest shoot a roebuck arable land when cover is up or in fields of crops?. how many stalk in scotland who has bracken cover that is neck high , most of my ground is difficult stalking and not open rides or big open expances of deer out of cover. I have lost one sika stag to a shoulder shot to pin the animal and it looked a perfect strike and knocked it to the floor only to rise and drop into cover I did not have the dog that day and a mistake i will never repeat again. there are alot of chest shots gone wrong the same as anything else. that shot in question looks way to far forward and again comes down to shot placement and again comes down to the situation at the time and knowbody can judge unless actually there at the time. head and kneck shots to me are acceptable under certain conditions if you have never had a shot go wrong you have not done much stalking and at somepoint it will happen even with a chest shooting its dealing with it correctly that counts and always follow up after a shot even the ones you think you missed as the chances are you have not and the deer did not react like text book, I dont want this to go down the road of a slanging match as it will be my only post on this. hopefully you put him out of his misery ,atb wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted July 16, 2013 Report Share Posted July 16, 2013 i have shot around 80 deer a year for the last 6 years to my own rifle not to mention clients and ive had more chest/shoulder shots go rong (with clients) than ive had head shots (twice with me on enclosed deer both frontal shots on roe with 223 and 22-250 both shots went 2 inch richt and hit the base of the ear and out the back both times the deer went down got up ran off shakeing its head both times it never got more than 10 yards before it was shot dead!) ive only ever lost one deer and that was with some unaccompanied stalkers who hit a buck we blood trailed it for 6-700m then lost it in a big block of christmas trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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