Aled Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) This may be of interest to some of you if not ignore: Jeremy Vine has a programme on Radio 2 entitled Being Human, he has had several guests from varying backgrounds, authours, comedians, representatives from religions. Recently he had a philospher called Alain de Botton, he discussed many thinhgs but of interest to this thread could be his opinon of religion. He is an athiest however he does mention that religion can offer people some good things notably as a way of bringing people together. Personallly i thought he put an interesting point in place. Its still on the BBC Radio 2 Podcast. Cheers Aled Edited July 23, 2013 by Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I say, each to their own.. to me evolution makes sense, i think we evolved from apes, Dad was Ginger, so maybe a touch of orangutang in our family..... always enjoyed a good scratch whilst eating a banana..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 As with everything in life the are those that lead, those that go it alone and those that follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody walloper Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 the church helps alot of people through there lives. i do not attend one but know lots of people that do, i bet alot of non believers got christened or married in one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 most people are christen long before they know what religion is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I went again on sunday to a much larger church, it wasn't quite so enjoyable. Will go back to my local next week. I am not over bothered about the communion, I like the stories and sermons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 A long and winding road but interesting reading. The OP said he felt better - excellent; religion is about feeling better. Whether you feel it in a church, a field, looking at the stars,it shouldnt matter. Religion is intensely personal and should be. If nothing else its about one persons communion with 'a maker', a soul mate, a responder to dreams. Surely true religeon is nothing about making people believe, not in your faith or in any faith it must surely be about them finding their way. Good on you OP, whatever makes you feel 'better'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) its a miracle someone going to church made 8 pages there must be a god Edited July 23, 2013 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 its a miracle someone going to church made 8 pages there must be a god This could be déjà vu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 its a miracle someone going to church made 8 pages there must be a god the only reason I can see NEW people attending church is because they have now decided to ban porn on the internet, so the earlier you go the faster your foot is in the door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) i once knew a guy who used to go to church to pull woman, he recons the christian birds love it thats a true story think he did more than a few in his church attending Edited July 23, 2013 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 i once knew a guy who used to go to church to pull woman, he recons the christian birds love it thats a true story think he did more than a few in his church attending wasn,t it the pope who said "go forth and multiply " :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Marty Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) wasn,t it the pope who said "go forth and multiply " :lol: No Carol Vorderman [ Edited July 23, 2013 by Big Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 I went to church today for a double funeral,and in the big scheme of things it was very good(if you know what i mean) the vicar was very good and she gave a good talk,there was a stuttering fool who read a poem(me) and Elvis was played into the church and out,a massive turn out for two much loved Aunts and the weather held for them both,the wake was cathartic and some catching up with old friends and relatives was done. I did find it strange that the only person to thank the vicar for a nice service and kind words was me the Atheist. The church do some things very well in times of grief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted July 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 I went to church today for a double funeral,and in the big scheme of things it was very good(if you know what i mean) the vicar was very good and she gave a good talk,there was a stuttering fool who read a poem(me) and Elvis was played into the church and out,a massive turn out for two much loved Aunts and the weather held for them both,the wake was cathartic and some catching up with old friends and relatives was done. I did find it strange that the only person to thank the vicar for a nice service and kind words was me the Atheist. The church do some things very well in times of grief I went to church today for a double funeral,and in the big scheme of things it was very good(if you know what i mean) the vicar was very good and she gave a good talk,there was a stuttering fool who read a poem(me) and Elvis was played into the church and out,a massive turn out for two much loved Aunts and the weather held for them both,the wake was cathartic and some catching up with old friends and relatives was done. I did find it strange that the only person to thank the vicar for a nice service and kind words was me the Atheist. The church do some things very well in times of grief well maybe you just hit the nail on the head. Perhaps the religion is a side issue and the support they offer is the real benefit of the church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 You know what? I think that whether you believe in God or not (I personally don't) as long as you're a good person and try your hardest to be kind, considerate and treat others as you'd like to be treated, well, you can't go far wrong. Even if there IS a God he isn't gong to knock you for that. No Carol Vorderman[ Ha ha ha ha brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) You know what? I think that whether you believe in God or not (I personally don't) as long as you're a good person and try your hardest to be kind, considerate and treat others as you'd like to be treated, well, you can't go far wrong. Even if there IS a God he isn't gong to knock you for that. Ha ha ha ha brilliant thats what i think Edited July 24, 2013 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 You know what? I think that whether you believe in God or not (I personally don't) as long as you're a good person and try your hardest to be kind, considerate and treat others as you'd like to be treated, well, you can't go far wrong. Even if there IS a God he isn't gong to knock you for that. Ha ha ha ha brilliant That pretty much sums it I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Religion can get in the way of faith. Faith is a belief in the unseen, the unproven and the unprovable. I know 100% that God is there for me.. so I'm very lucky. He was there before when I chose to follow Jesus and has been there ever since. I've moved away at times, come closer at others, and I've not understood everything or had all the answers. But still... He was there when I have lost dear ones, old and young, when our first daughter was given and taken away, and when I have just been feeling very down. He is also there when times are good and it's then that it's important for me to acknowledge, thank & praise him. He was there on Sunday when I was playing bass in church, there was a tangible feeling of the presence of his Spirit in the room. Somehow my fingers danced on the fretboard improvising note-perfect, as we all worshipped him. He is there too when I get into the car park at work and ask for strength to get through the day. He forgives my weaknesses. When I get home too I can take time to thank him for his many blessings. Yes, being out with a gun is also a way of feeling close to him, taking my part in his world as he has designed & gifted me to do. Staying in close contact with creation is important. But staying in close contact with my heavenly father is more important than anything else. Going to church helps me do this... refills the batteries somewhat sometimes, so I hope anyone who is looking for faith or wanting to know more will think on these things and find somewhere where faith is celebrated and nurtured - and not just religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) maybe worth a look if it improves your guitar skills or lack of them , wonder if the good lord could sort out some scales for me Edited July 24, 2013 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 maybe worth a look if it improves your guitar skills or lack of them , wonder if the good lord could sort out some scales for me Give it a try... what little I can offer is accepted warts 'n all, bum notes or not.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 arjimlad, nice story well maybe you just hit the nail on the head. Perhaps the religion is a side issue and the support they offer is the real benefit of the church. Like below, religion is empty if it does not have the support for others side to it. You know what? I think that whether you believe in God or not (I personally don't) as long as you're a good person and try your hardest to be kind, considerate and treat others as you'd like to be treated, well, you can't go far wrong. Even if there IS a God he isn't gong to knock you for that. From a christian perspective the theology is wrong, faith without works is as dead as works without faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) To be honest i couldn't care less. I have my own morals standards which are quite strict. Whether it works in a Christian context matters not to me. Edited July 26, 2013 by bigbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 To be honest i couldn't care less. I have my own morals standards which are quite strict. Whether it works in a Christian context matters not to me. Sadly BB, although I agree and also adopt a 'do as you would be done by' approach to others, those others own moral standards and consideration for their fellow 'man' means its harder, still worth doing and just kicking in a few doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Very true Kes and dare i say a lot of the ones i know are devout churchgoers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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