karpman Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Just a shame it had to come to an open forum to sort out. Surely you guys are big enough to have a chat on the phone about it and either go you separate ways or make up. Bit of a misunderstanding to be honest I think. Karpmam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 re-read his post. Have done...still see no need.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Mother Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 People are obviously very delicate. It's the farmers land and it's up to him who he lets shoot on it. If someone wants to offer their services on land where there may not be people shooting, due to holidays etc, I don't see a problem. It may not be the "done thing" but that is life. I think some people on here need to HTFU. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 +1, as a shooter, and..... +1 as a farmer too. Gets very boring, this "stealing" permission. Not entirely sure they are the right type to be trusted, and not just with guns, either. I have cleared, I.E. revoked the permission, of "people" like this - your farmer will probably feel the same way. Have a word with him/her. its happened to me, I asked a few years ago for help lamping, explained to the guy it was just helping me by holding the lamp and nothing more and it was not a open invertation to return, on getting out of the car he grabs his rifle and walking onto my permission I didn't say anything and just got on with things...turns out he was useless at foxing and lamping....to top it off hes knocking on the farmers door 3 days later asking for permission!!! it just goes to show watch out who you take out with you!!! I will only take out the regular 3/4 lads off here and no-one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 If i get stopped by the Police when in transit with my Guns , i have to show written Permission to shoot, i understand that this land is a verbal permission. I do not like leaving things in a grey area. Unless i am wrong where the Law is concerned You don't need written permission to shoot any where especially on a shoot you were invited to as a guest the same as you don't need to prove to the police you have written permission whilst carrying your guns. Fair enough the farmer said come anytime but "You" should of said thanks but this is Bleehs permission and if "He" invites me again I would come back, but not on my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 People are obviously very delicate. It's the farmers land and it's up to him who he lets shoot on it. If someone wants to offer their services on land where there may not be people shooting, due to holidays etc, I don't see a problem. It may not be the "done thing" but that is life. I think some people on here need to HTFU. B) Its not delicate at all its an issue of trust, If it was random land then no issue but the big issue is the fact Bleeh has invited him to shoot on the land and got the ok from the farmer and AP thought it fine to shoot when Bleeh was away. A huge difference to finding your own permissions and treading on peoples toes. Ultimately its the farmers land but the introduction was done without this in mind, there are a few things ringing alarm bells like "I've got enough land to shoot" well why be keen to shoot some an hour away then..... I shoot with a few people on here and we all get along fine but unless they asked me I wouldn't be going along without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 People are obviously very delicate. It's the farmers land and it's up to him who he lets shoot on it. If someone wants to offer their services on land where there may not be people shooting, due to holidays etc, I don't see a problem. It may not be the "done thing" but that is life. I think some people on here need to HTFU. B) You are forgetting one simple thing that costs nothing...............good manners. Something that seems sadly lacking with some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I think you have taken a generous offer from Bleeh, and thrown it back in his face. It is tales like this that put people off from taking guests out. How would you feel if someone behaved like this after being you guest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyb79 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 If i get stopped by the Police when in transit with my Guns , i have to show written Permission to shoot, i understand that this land is a verbal permission. I do not like leaving things in a grey area. Unless i am wrong where the Law is concerned I'm not sure about this bit - possession of firearms/shotguns with a valid certificate is lawful regardless of where you're going/coming from. You shouldn't need to prove to the police where you are going or have been by way of written permission....or have I got this wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) This is why you should only invite people you know personaly & always seek permissions first.I share a perm with a mate who works off shore so he can not always commit. I have a good friend who helps me out with the ferreting who i fully trust when my mates off shore.In return i offer him roost shooting & some days on the pigeons but only after seeking perm from farmer.And also discuss this with my shooting buddy. Edited July 29, 2013 by Davyo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 actionman1 You were way out of order. Apologise to Bleeh and promise him that you will never attempt to go anywhere near any of his land ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy bingo Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 You don't need written permission to shoot any where especially on a shoot you were invited to as a guest the same as you don't need to prove to the police you have written permission whilst carrying your guns. Fair enough the farmer said come anytime but "You" should of said thanks but this is Bleehs permission and if "He" invites me again I would come back, but not on my own. spot on mate that's what I would have said you are a guest of bleeh and you will only return with an invite from bleeh end of story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Mother Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 actionman1 You were way out of order. Apologise to Bleeh and promise him that you will never attempt to go anywhere near any of his land ever again. It's not his land and I would say that's a massive over reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Surely just a good old fashioned fight to the death will sort this mess out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I have been invited to shoot on other peoples permissions and for me their permission is their permission - I would NEVER pass my own details to the farmer but wait and see if the person who invited me needs me to do him a favour with crop protection or because he couldnt make it for a while and needed someone to be there - then I would ask HIM for a permission slip NOT the farmer. For me as AL4X has said its a matter of trust and honesty. I am firmly with Bleeh on this and believe the explanation given by the other party is insufficient for the weight of transgression. I hope you can sort it out but If I were Bleeh, a grovelling apology would be an essential precursor and a confirmation that you will never shoot his permission unless invited specifically to do so. Bleeh (from his posts) is a pleasant reasonable chap and he doesnt deserve this treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 It's not his land and I would say that's a massive over reaction. That attitude will get you to the top of everyones invitation list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actionman1 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Lots of over reaction here, this should not of been put in the open forum. A phone call from Bleeh could reassure him of only my good intentions. Thank god i can speak to him on the blower in half hour to sort this out. I admit i do not have much experience with pigeon shooting, but i have plenty to offer people in return for a day out with anyone. Rabbit shooting on 3 permissions, High seats for Deer, Fox shooting and even a shooting hide thats big enough to sleep 3 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 A perfect example of how not to conduct yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 People are obviously very delicate. It's the farmers land and it's up to him who he lets shoot on it. If someone wants to offer their services on land where there may not be people shooting, due to holidays etc, I don't see a problem. It may not be the "done thing" but that is life. I think some people on here need to HTFU. B) May not be the done thing !!! I expect integrity and honesty from people, whichever way you dress it up it's a snide thing to do to a fellow shooter. Hope you are as philosophical about the "Done Thing" if a similar set of circumstances ever befall you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 People are obviously very delicate. It's the farmers land and it's up to him who he lets shoot on it. If someone wants to offer their services on land where there may not be people shooting, due to holidays etc, I don't see a problem. It may not be the "done thing" but that is life. I think some people on here need to HTFU. B) There is one thing about a thread like this and it shows who the people with no morals are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 i'd say its a rum trick to pull,you should only have tapped the farmer up if bleeh had gave you the nod to get permission beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Mother Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 There is one thing about a thread like this and it shows who the people with no morals are. How little you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) This reminds me of a time talking to a shooter in my local pub, they;d just returned from a pheasant drive, I had my gun with me and got talking to one lad about pigeon shooting, he asked where I shot and I said 'just down the road', he said 'oh is that xxxx farm or xxxx farm', I told him the right one. Couple of days later I get a phonecall at the farm and this plonker said he'd spoken to 'Kyska' in the the local pub and said that I'd needed some help on the pigeon. I told him who I was and to **** off, lying little lamb. Edited July 29, 2013 by kyska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Right guys.It's an interesting situation and I see there is a fairly wide view of opinions.Anyhow, I've had a chat with Actionman and I think it was a combination of over enthusiasm, confusion about shooting law, and frankly just a big old mess. What I honestly don't believe it was, I think I misinterpreted some of what he was saying and prehaps jumped to conclusions.I do believe that this was not any sort of act to steal permission, and Actionman has apologized profusely, and we have the matter settled.And with that I've asked to have the thread locked. If anyone wants to start a new one about the subject of permissions not related to this one, feel free.Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Hurray! Feel the love, now ring his perm owners and get him back...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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