pegasus bridge Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Apologies in advance for the rant, but a couple of weeks ago a large group of travellers decided to set up camp on a playing field in gedling, notts. They got turfed off after just two weeks, and in that period managed to dump 14 tons of tree cuttings, and **** over large areas of the field. Cleanup underway and costing 'tens of thousands' from the public purse, with apparently no recourse for those who created the mess. It really boils my ****. The 'rights' of everyone else MUST surely outweigh the 'rights' travellers seem to get to pay **** all in and take a lot out?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Write to your MP and ask for an explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Its sad that they reinforce their own negative stereotypes. Were they to descend on a spot, live for a bit and then move on leaving no mess they'd not receive half as much stick. Its no wonder folk are prejudiced when they roll up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junctiontwo Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Don't even think about getting me started on this one...... :mad: :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 One major problem is people giving them work. They quote not a lot, do a **** job for cash and dump any waste. Every other business has to pay to dump waste and pay tax, national insurance etc. etc. if people stopped giving them cash work maybe they would **** off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pigeon man Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 One major problem is people giving them work. They quote not a lot, do a **** job for cash and dump any waste. Every other business has to pay to dump waste and pay tax, national insurance etc. etc. if people stopped giving them cash work maybe they would **** off. +1 couldn't of said it better my self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 I'm still surprised they manage to get work door to door, but they clearly do. I just hope that the bad press locally from this would make people think twice next time. I certainly wouldn't give them a bloody penny for work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Pegasus, do they still have that caravan site near the train station? I used to go newark a lot as a child. Vaguely remember a massive caravan site near the river and the train station Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) Pegasus, do they still have that caravan site near the train station? I used to go newark a lot as a child. Vaguely remember a massive caravan site near the river and the train stationI think it it, notts has by far the largest number of legal sites in the east midlands (30 apparently). Which (as I don't live near one!!) Doesn't bother me, I just honestly think the 'rights' of one group must be proportionate to the infringement on the rights of everyone else. If I pulled my car up and took a **** on a playing field, before unloading some tree cuttings I'm fairly sure I would (rightfully so) be swiftly dealt with. I was at clumber park a while ago, and a traveller family were also there having a picnic. Fair enough I thought, until they got back into their cars and just left all the rubbish they had generated on the floor!! Edited August 10, 2013 by pegasus bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 http://news.sky.com/story/1126484/traveller-camps-eric-pickles-urges-action This fits in with the topic nicely. I never even knew they had a gypsy council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 I hope they do start to take immediate action. As soon as they arrive on an illegal site the police should pitch up with the mobile cctv van and caputure crimes, and make sure action is taken. Cleanup cost now at £25 k apparently. http://www.nottinghampost.com/Travellers-leave-trail-mess-Gedling-park/story-19642015-detail/story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 aside from physically catching somebody in the act of a criminal offence and arresting and charging them on the spot how do you take somebody to court who probably has no registered birth certificate , no NI number, no fixed address and will be elsewhere in the country by the time it got near a court? It would probably cost the taxpayer more money to chase them round the country for years and get a succesful prosecution than it does to clear up the mess they make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 aside from physically catching somebody in the act of a criminal offence and arresting and charging them on the spot how do you take somebody to court who probably has no registered birth certificate , no NI number, no fixed address and will be elsewhere in the country by the time it got near a court? It would probably cost the taxpayer more money to chase them round the country for years and get a succesful prosecution than it does to clear up the mess they make No reason for inaction. They manage to aquire driving licences and cars, so I don't think it is beyond the wit of man to tackle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 http://news.sky.com/story/1126484/traveller-camps-eric-pickles-urges-action This fits in with the topic nicely. I never even knew they had a gypsy council. Same story in the Telegraph said he was reversing Labour's policy which forced councils to take not account the ethnic background of planning applicants! What a joke, positive discrimination in favour of ****** over law abiding tax payers! No reason for inaction. They manage to aquire driving licences and cars, so I don't think it is beyond the wit of man to tackle it. I'm not so sure many of them have licenses or insured / taxed cars but of course, they are above the law there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Same story in the Telegraph said he was reversing Labour's policy which forced councils to take not account the ethnic background of planning applicants! What a joke, positive discrimination in favour of ****** over law abiding tax payers! I'm not so sure many of them have licenses or insured / taxed cars but of course, they are above the law there. Well there needs to be some cross agency cooperation to tackle criminality. I just do not accept that one group of people can effectively be exempt from the law of the land. Even if they do feel this inhibits cultural factors, tough, this cannot offset the harm caused to the majority of law abiding citizens. Might have known the Labour Party had a hand in forcing this ridiculous position down our throats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 aside from physically catching somebody in the act of a criminal offence and arresting and charging them on the spot how do you take somebody to court who probably has no registered birth certificate , no NI number, no fixed address and will be elsewhere in the country by the time it got near a court? It would probably cost the taxpayer more money to chase them round the country for years and get a succesful prosecution than it does to clear up the mess they make In other words, give in to anarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 I suspect that as is usually the case, the MINORITY are spoiling things for the remainder of the travelling community! I too wonder at just how some of them seem to get away with things that the ordinary man would be stopped for. Why they feel that to live as they do is acceptable to the rest of us is beyond my understanding. I really wouldn't want them living anywhere near me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 In other words, give in to anarchy. thats not my idea , we live in a capitalist society where the needs of the pockets often seem to outweigh the needs of the people or justice, there are no shortage of stories where it is considered not to be in the interest of the public purse to prosecute for all manner of criminal offences , the prosecution of travellers is just anther one of those stories , apparently it cost 9 million to clear up dale farm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 I'm still surprised they manage to get work door to door, but they clearly do. I just hope that the bad press locally from this would make people think twice next time. I certainly wouldn't give them a bloody penny for work. They target vulnerable people within the community, elderly and infirm people who are often intimidated into giving them work and often as not paying well over the odds! All cash in hand, no tax, no VAT no national insurance but they are quick enough to want their kids seen by a doctor if they are ill. Maybe it is just a case of every host having a parasite and these are the parasites the law abiding majority have to tolerate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) They target vulnerable people within the community, elderly and infirm people who are often intimidated into giving them work and often as not paying well over the odds! All cash in hand, no tax, no VAT no national insurance but they are quick enough to want their kids seen by a doctor if they are ill. Maybe it is just a case of every host having a parasite and these are the parasites the law abiding majority have to tolerate? Sorry to pick holes in you post O.R. but I think you need to add the words "SOME OF" after the word are in your post! Edited August 10, 2013 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 apparently it cost 9 million to clear up dale farm And that's what anarchists play on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted August 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 And that's what anarchists play on. but the flip side to anarchy, would be the removal of any 'rights' travellers currently seem to enjoy without the reciprocal responsibilities. rather than a sternly worded letter from the local council, they would i'm sure, find themselves the subject of 'natural justice'., . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filzee Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 The big site near Newark was down Tolney Lane near castle gate train station. There are still quite a few of the travelling brotherhood down there but a lot of them got shifted on by some of the not so friendly locals. The travelers that were in Gedling seem to have parked themselves on the playing field near Colwick industrial estate which is fantastic for me because that is right at the back of my house. I don't think they are there legally as they would have had a key for the gate instead of just smashing it out the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Folks still leave junk they can't be bothered to take to the tip out for the scrap collectors thereby encouraging them to circulate around the area. If they were picking up a ton a day, there are at least 5 different vans going around, paid cash at the local merchants, work out the income.... These are not poor and marginalised people they have resources and are very clued in about the law they should be subject to recourse if they leave a mess behind them. A couple of years back they left a true mountain of upv, glass and organic waste at jn 24 of m1, cost over 100K to clear it up. Frustrating is one word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 (edited) liberals love em, and we are a liberal infested country. They will do what they likey as long as there are liberals, they know it, I know it, and you should know it by now. It will never change in my lifetime. The End. Edited August 14, 2013 by unapalomablanca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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