Any police officers on here? (Speeding question)

[Rushjob]

 

I had to laugh at your last sentence, as it shows that you are totally devoid from reality. Where exactly do you proposes to start in this crusade of yours?

 

In an ideal world (that you are obviously in), all drivers should be totally competent and focus 100% on their driving all of the time. Obviously you do this, and please go to the room marked 'Only totally proficient drivers may enter here'. You will find that you are on your own.

 

Everyone has the occasional lapses, and their attention may be distracted from time to time (a car full of arguing kids etc), and this is where the fun starts.

 

I have been lucky to escape from many potential accidents in my time as a professional driver, and this is mainly because of experience. A lack of experience normally equals an accident waiting to happen - hence the insurance rates for teenage drivers.

 

Speed limits = the maximum speed that people are supposed to drive at. It may be hugely infuriating to some, but that's a fac

My thoughts are based on nearly 30 years in the Police with a specialism towards Road Traffic.

 

Sometimes, just sometimes it helps to read and digest before you comment.

 

Where in this quote do I advocate speeding per se?

 

"I have no issue with the use of speed limits, as long as the application of same is based on solid data rather than listening to those who lobby the loudest.

There's nothing wrong with National speed limits as they are at present in rural areas and on trunk roads, 30's and 40's where there are developed areas and 20's in busy city centres. It's the 40 and 50 limits that have spread all over the country on roads that frankly do not satisfy their imposition from an engineering standpoint."

As for wanting to increase driver awareness and competence, I'd have thought that a so called professional driver would welcome that.

[Kes]

 

I had to laugh at your last sentence, as it shows that you are totally devoid from reality. Where exactly do you proposes to start in this crusade of yours?

 

In an ideal world (that you are obviously in), all drivers should be totally competent and focus 100% on their driving all of the time. Obviously you do this, and please go to the room marked 'Only totally proficient drivers may enter here'. You will find that you are on your own.

 

Everyone has the occasional lapses, and their attention may be distracted from time to time (a car full of arguing kids etc), and this is where the fun starts.

 

I have been lucky to escape from many potential accidents in my time as a professional driver, and this is mainly because of experience. A lack of experience normally equals an accident waiting to happen - hence the insurance rates for teenage drivers.

 

Speed limits = the maximum speed that people are supposed to drive at. It may be hugely infuriating to some, but that's a fact.

Sorry, I agree that driving standards need improving - you dont get to be a racing driver by only having faster reactions, or because of your genes. Not using mobile phones is one way to drive up driving standards - how many still use them ? If wanting to stop killing people in needless accidents is to live in an unreal world then I prefer the unreality to the reality as you call it but its just MHO.

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

My thoughts are based on nearly 30 years in the Police with a specialism towards Road Traffic.

 

Sometimes, just sometimes it helps to read and digest before you comment.

 

Where in this quote do I advocate speeding per se?

 

"I have no issue with the use of speed limits, as long as the application of same is based on solid data rather than listening to those who lobby the loudest.

There's nothing wrong with National speed limits as they are at present in rural areas and on trunk roads, 30's and 40's where there are developed areas and 20's in busy city centres. It's the 40 and 50 limits that have spread all over the country on roads that frankly do not satisfy their imposition from an engineering standpoint."

As for wanting to increase driver awareness and competence, I'd have thought that a so called professional driver would welcome that.

 

The last 'Drivers Awareness Course' I went on was run by an ex police traffic cop - I have been on many of these - they reduce a companies insurance bill and weed out some. Unfortunately on these courses everyone fiercely concentrates, and they prove very little.

 

We sat in my car, drove for a mile and then he said "OK, I can see that you are fine so let's go to the pub for a pint and a sandwich until the next candidate".

 

Now the above proves very little, apart from there are levels of competence in every job.

[Elby]

My thoughts are based on nearly 30 years in the Police with a specialism towards Road Traffic.

 

 

My dad was a bricklayer for 50 years but still useless at it.

You said speed doesn't kill and the facts are it does.

You say it's drivers lack of skills that kill so going on that you can do 150mph in a 30 if you're skilled enough and when the kiddie walks out in front of you you can avoid them because you are so skillfull?

[Browning 425 clay hunter]

You say it's drivers lack of skills that kill so going on that you can do 150mph in a 30 if you're skilled enough and when the kiddie walks out in front of you you can avoid them because you are so skillfull?

Congratulations on the most stupid and pointless sentence on the three pages so far. Your just over emphasising a point to stupid proportions just to make your argument more plausible. The op stated he was joining a motorway. Not many kiddies going to be crossing them on their way to school are they.

[Churchill]

Inappropriate, excessive speed is a problem, not a few mph over the posted limit. The bigger problem are those that drive in a manner beyond their talent or capabilities of the car they are driving. I can see why they introduced the hazard perception test as there are a lot of motorists out there who don't look beyond the bonnet of their car.

 

Getting back on track, i doubt you would have been clocked joining up with the dual carriageway.

 

ps, Stu can i have another go in your Westfield ? I promise i won't go above 60.

[Elby]

Congratulations on the most stupid and pointless sentence on the three pages so far. Your just over emphasising a point to stupid proportions just to make your argument more plausible. The op stated he was joining a motorway. Not many kiddies going to be crossing them on their way to school are they.

You're very welcome.

Read the whole thread ya plum

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Now, now, play nicely children!

[Browning 425 clay hunter]

You're very welcome.

Read the whole thread ya plum

I have read the whole thread. And I stand by my comment. The MOST stupid comment of the thread so far. I know it wasn't the op going on about doing three times the speed limit. But your comments are still overly exaggerated for the purpose of making your point more valid and have little relevance or input to the thread.

 

But from what I've read from you I believe you will surpass yourself again in the next few pages. I look forward to it.

 

ATB 425

[bullet1747]

Chaps,

Coming home this evening from Wales and concerned I may have been caught by a speed camera van placed on a bridge over a dual carriageway. Let me explain :

I was coming off of a roundabout about to head down a slip road onto the A34 (road I am not familiar with) when I spotted a speed camera van on the bridge which I pointed out to my wife. As we left the roundabout and headed down the slip road heading away from the speed camera van as it was positioned sideways on the bridge I brought my speed up to 60-65mph to merge onto the dual carriageway. Making sure there was plenty of space to move into the slow lane I merged at this speed. It was about 200 yards further on I saw a sign that said 50mph!!

Needless to say I stepped on the brakes as this was the first of any signs I had seen! I checked the Tom Tom and that was reading a 70mph limit and as I was merging onto a dual carriageway I assumed the speed limit would be 70mph as in most normal cases.

My question is, would the van have caught me? I was heading away from the van and by the time I had merged I was a good 2-300 yards from the van heading towards what I thought was the speed limit! I would assume they were however monitoring the speed of the traffic in the opposite lane heading towards the van?

Concerned as it was of course unintentional, there was no sign to show the dual carriageway was a 50mph before I merged.

Would appreciate any input.

Thanks

High way code tells you the speeds ,an easy way is if could roll a ball across the duel carriage way it's 50 if the ball was to hit a middle reservation it's 70

[bullet1747]

Sorry, I agree that driving standards need improving - you dont get to be a racing driver by only having faster reactions, or because of your genes. Not using mobile phones is one way to drive up driving standards - how many still use them ? If wanting to stop killing people in needless accidents is to live in an unreal world then I prefer the unreality to the reality as you call it but its just MHO.

Smoking should be banned while driving as well

[Rushjob]

High way code tells you the speeds ,an easy way is if could roll a ball across the duel carriage way it's 50 if the ball was to hit a middle reservation it's 70

Eh?

 

Which rule is that then?

 

Think you may need a refresher course.......

[spanj]

Speeding does not kill, I have been in a speeding vehicle many times and lived. Your attitude is pathetic.

Poor driving kills, people bumbling all over the road, following berk nav systems which are years out of date, not reading road markings or signs and paying little or no attention to what is going on around them, then you get road deaths, rather than a driver paying attention and doing 5 mph over the limit.

 

Kes, sometimes fixed cameras are placed where no accidents have occurred (the accident has to be within a 1 mile radius I believe, so someone getting run over in a residential neighbourhood by Mr Brown reversing out of his drive, can mean a speed camera goes up on a dual carriageway three quarters of a mile away on safety grounds!

 

For your information, yes I do have a license, I do not have or ever have had any speeding tickets.

Well said........... another one needing the nanny state to "protect" them. Speed kills.........really, so do guns - deal with them. Numpty !

Speed does kill.

Facts are the faster you go the further it takes to stop in an emergency.

Driving skill in that case has nothing to do with it.

better stay in bed then eh

[Sean Richo]

Kes no offence but I would not admit to have once ran a speed safety partnership! It might be something you want to keep to yourself!

[spanj]

So retired now and joined the spelling police.

So you think that all drivers should be skill tested and then allowed to do the speeds that relate to their skill?

errr drivers are skill tested. Its called a driving TEST, which you pass due to having a certain level of skill. IMO this is ridculously low and far too many people treat driving as a secondary task, to texting, sightseeing, singing, shaving, applying makeup etc, etc.

 

I have been done for speeding and am not attempting to be pious but totally agree with the ex sgt............... poor skill or concentration is what USUALLY kill while speed can be but is by no means the sole factor in fatalities.

[spanj]

 

I had to laugh at your last sentence, as it shows that you are totally devoid from reality. Where exactly do you proposes to start in this crusade of yours?

 

In an ideal world (that you are obviously in), all drivers should be totally competent and focus 100% on their driving all of the time. Obviously you do this, and please go to the room marked 'Only totally proficient drivers may enter here'. You will find that you are on your own.

 

Everyone has the occasional lapses, and their attention may be distracted from time to time (a car full of arguing kids etc), and this is where the fun starts.

 

I have been lucky to escape from many potential accidents in my time as a professional driver, and this is mainly because of experience. A lack of experience normally equals an accident waiting to happen - hence the insurance rates for teenage drivers.

 

Speed limits = the maximum speed that people are supposed to drive at. It may be hugely infuriating to some, but that's a fact.

Please clarify what sort of professional driver you are. One who has passed a test and followed up with lots of training or one who has passed a test and done lots of miles or hours behind the wheel ?

[Nial]

80 is the limit unoffish. The majority of traffic gavvers wont pull you at 80 on the m-way unless your speed is deemed inappropriate (ie, two lanes crawling and you are giving it charly big nuts down the overtaking lane).

 

If the limit gets raised to 80 a lot of folk will do 90

 

No they won't.

 

The speed that 85% will sit at is low 80s, there's a lot of evidence that if the limit was realistically set to 80 then people would _drop_ their speed and stick to it.

 

If there was a realistic limit there could be zero tolerance of anything over say 83 and we'd all know where we stand rather than the ridiculous

situation we have where nobody really knows when you'll be done.

 

But there needs to be more education about appropriate speed, 30 past a school at throwing out is much more dangerous than 85 on a

clear open motorway (yes we do have stretches of that up here in Scotland).

 

Nial.

[Monkey Nuts]

I think my original question has been answered. Didn't intend to start an all out war of opinions.

 

Thanks

[Pole Star]

PW is always a good place to start a war ! good job we can only snarl at are PC screens

[Elby]

errr drivers are skill tested. Its called a driving TEST, which you pass due to having a certain level of skill. IMO this is ridculously low and far too many people treat driving as a secondary task, to texting, sightseeing, singing, shaving, applying makeup etc, etc.

 

I have been done for speeding and am not attempting to be pious but totally agree with the ex sgt............... poor skill or concentration is what USUALLY kill while speed can be but is by no means the sole factor in fatalities.

Yes but how many people pass a test and are still rubbish drivers.

If we all did things to the same ability we would all be Lewis Hamilton, Valentino Rossi ect.

Fact is we aint and speed limits are set for a reason and for an ex plod to say speeding is not a killer can't be right.

I realise that there are many other factors involved in accidents but speed is definately one too.

I have read the whole thread. And I stand by my comment. The MOST stupid comment of the thread so far. I know it wasn't the op going on about doing three times the speed limit. But your comments are still overly exaggerated for the purpose of making your point more valid and have little relevance or input to the thread.

 

But from what I've read from you I believe you will surpass yourself again in the next few pages. I look forward to it.

 

ATB 425

Read it again then cos

I also stand by my comment.

You're a plum

Edited September 6, 2013 by Elby

[junctiontwo]

High way code tells you the speeds ,an easy way is if could roll a ball across the duel carriage way it's 50 if the ball was to hit a middle reservation it's 70

 

What type of ball?

[Bloggs]

Inappropriate, excessive speed is a problem, not a few mph over the posted limit. The bigger problem are those that drive in a manner beyond their talent or capabilities of the car they are driving. I can see why they introduced the hazard perception test as there are a lot of motorists out there who don't look beyond the bonnet of their car.

 

Getting back on track, i doubt you would have been clocked joining up with the dual carriageway.

 

ps, Stu can i have another go in your Westfield ? I promise i won't go above 60.

Is that, above 60 in a 30mph limit? Lol

[Mungler]

Speed doesn't kill, inappropriate speed kills.

 

On a motorway what is inappropriate speed? Think 'autobahn' before answering.

 

It's all about revenue generation

[welsh1]

High way code tells you the speeds ,an easy way is if could roll a ball across the duel carriage way it's 50 if the ball was to hit a middle reservation it's 70

I think your ball method is out of date,dual carriage ways and motorways are classed as 70 mph,unless otherwise signed.

 

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

[ack-ack]

 

No they won't.

 

The speed that 85% will sit at is low 80s, there's a lot of evidence that if the limit was realistically set to 80 then people would _drop_ their speed and stick to it.

 

If there was a realistic limit there could be zero tolerance of anything over say 83 and we'd all know where we stand rather than the ridiculous

situation we have where nobody really knows when you'll be done.

 

But there needs to be more education about appropriate speed, 30 past a school at throwing out is much more dangerous than 85 on a

clear open motorway (yes we do have stretches of that up here in Scotland).

 

Nial.

What evidence??

 

When you are doing the same boring 150 mile round trip each day any opportunity to make time is embraced when safe to do so. Occasional mway drivers may like to sit at an economical speed shaking their heads at anybody that dares creep up above the limit but for most daily drivers racking up the miles any excuse to exploit an opportunity for shortening a journey is taken.

 

As a rule of thumb you know if you go above 80 you will stand a good chance of getting done on the motorway, i cant see what the problem is. We all know this surely?

 

Zero tolerance will never work as the tolerance for speedo errors would mean up to 88 you would generally be safe unless your speed was deemed inappropriate.

 

I believe that mway speeds at night ( or during certain hours of darkness) should be enforced less when appropriate , ie clear, dry and good visibility.