David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Hi Welsh1 As you were not revoked there was obviously no appeal to look at. As the issue was subject to an internal police investigation, my colleague was correct BASC can have no influence in such an internal investigation. The delay afterwards was unacceptable I agree, the fact the officer was away is little more than a red herring in my view, that should not have stopped them from releasing the guns to you! As to SACS /BASC - pay your money and make your choice. I have no doubt many SACS members are happy with the package they get from them, just as the vast majority of BASC members are happy to pay the extra £3 or so a month to support all the political and media work we deliver on. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) Hi David, i think you misunderstood my posts, the internal investigation was against the police officers of the other force who lied and i instigated it with their internal complaints procedure.Your colleague was told that i had been cleared and that i was having difficulties getting my weapons back but did nothing except tell me to wait a bit longer. I know you will have to tow the party line and try to put a positive spin on your involvement but the fact is when i asked for help and advice on a couple of occasions it was very short and lacking in substance,at the least when i was waiting for my weapons to be released back to me BASC could have made a call to my force and had a chat. Now sorry if i don't reply but i have a penguin to go take photos of,i will still be able to read the posts. My penguin friends Edited September 8, 2013 by welsh1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I agree, the delay was unacceptable after you were cleared the guns should have been returned at once, and I agree a call from us to them would have helped. As I have said, if anyone is not happy with the service let me know and I will do all I can to sort it our for you. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I do support basc in fighting for our sport but I wish I'd of known their is no legal cover on the policy. I have no problem in paying the small amount extra . Will the policy's be able to add this before renewal time ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mereside Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 David just so you know i do pay for BASC also as i see the benifit to the shooting comunity but for an extra 35 pounds a year i took out SACS for the legal cover and the fact that they also do good for us shooting folk the more groups we have fighting our corner the better,atb wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 TT - the LE policy should be available within about 4 weeks Mereside - yep spotted you support both and fully appreciate why. Personally as well as a BASC member I am also part of the CA, GWCT and NGO David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I agree, the delay was unacceptable after you were cleared the guns should have been returned at once, and I agree a call from us to them would have helped. As I have said, if anyone is not happy with the service let me know and I will do all I can to sort it our for you. David Hi David, here we have another clear issue of a member in need of help and your more interested in your media and political issues than looking after the people.The people that inject money into your organisation. I told you i was not happy with the service I got I followed your advice and your CEO never bothered to return my email well to me that says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Sixhills, We will always try to put members first, that's how we will grow and thrive. When ever things go wrong - which is not often, but it does happen, we will always try to learn. I am under no illusion as to how vital and important members are, not just because of their subs, but also as ambassadors of our organisation Please forward the e-mail to me and I will take it up with the new CEO david.ilsley@basc.org.uk David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 i have always been with BASC ....love the media work they do and raise the profile of the sport Did not know it did not cover LE at all but maybe something to look into When i was turned down for a .243 they offered to get involved as had all the paperwork needed but I declined ...always had good service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun sam Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 If all you are worried about is legal cover, then join SACS. But, i havent seen anything about SACS on the news defender our sport. BASC are at the head of all of it trying to keep shooting against some tough opposition. The extra money with BASC is worth it for everything they do. Not to mention SACS is scottish, what if scotland become independant, why should they involve themselves in english affairs when they are the Scottish Association for Country Sports? Mat, SACS has members in every part of the UK they were set up by shooters/country sport people for similar minded like people. I have spoken to Iain several times about the independence issue and no matter the result they will fight for members issues in the remaining Countries of the UK, They are committed to that. I am a member of both SACS and BASC but my son is only a member of SACS as it is free until He turns 18 something that BASC do not do which i think would be beneficial to them in the long run. My son is well known to BASC Scotland and SACS both organisations have encouraged Him over the years despite being registered blind I take my hat off to the staff we have met keep up the good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Iv always been pro basc, but think ill be looking into sacs next renewal. I always assumed basc would be the best and strongest most influential voice to fight and be behind me. Maybe not reading the posts.... Humm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 yes it makes wonder, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikemad24 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 david i would not do your job for a gold clock. i will always support basc because of they work they do to promote/lobby shooting. they way some websites/charity's/media portray hunters is sometimes very scary. You will not please everyone, and if i have to take out additional legal cover for the cost of 1 box of hornady amo then so be it. the way i see it there is never one tool to fix ever problem. im terrible at writing so if this makes no sense, im sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I didn't even get a sticker with my basc pack Cpsa gave me a musto cartridge bag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) We are going through a significant time of rapid evolutionally change - our customer service levels will get better and better very quickly and will keep on improving. We may not please all the people all the time but we will always aim to please most of the people most of the time. The membership package will grow and improve, and you will start to see these changes very soon indeed. And as always you know where I am if you need me - and if you want a sticker just ask. David Edited September 8, 2013 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 I wonder if its possible to get a £ by £ breakdown of membership dues. I suppose basc accounts are public info anyway? Be interesting? Seems to me they could include legal cover as part of the package charging another £20 is profiteering ? Might be wrong though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 i would pay the extra money,and feel safe if any thing did happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntsman Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Look forward to seeing what is on offer at weston park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) I was also under the impression BASC membership was inclusive of insurance for legal expenses. Think most members assumed legal exspenses were part of it al. Just what cover do member get. I support BASC for hard work and the voice for our country sports but what I'm hearing on hear from member shooters isn't good. Think the quicker its included the better BASC will be. Optional in a months time is all well and good, rolling it out straight away as part of new or renewal membership and bringing the cost down for the rest of us to add to exising memberdhip till renewal would be the way forward. Figgy Edited September 8, 2013 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Membership subs are set by the elected members of Council. The cost of the optional extra insurance is the net cost of the policy with no commission or other payment to BASC Yes accounts are published in full every year and sent to all members. Full details of the insurance package on the BASC site - search 'insurance' we cover you liability in the event you are sued by a third party. Details of the cover and support on all firearms issues is on the firearms page of the BASC web Personally I agree, the sooner we get this cover rolled out to all the better! I hope to have more details at the weekend - come along and say Hi! David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 wouldn't it be better to add say a fiver to everyones basc fees than to make it optional for £20, andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 In my view yes, and it would cost less than a fiver a member, but members subs are in the hands of the elected Council, but trust me I will keep pushing for it. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd 1 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) ive been with basc and touch wood i haven't have any legal problems. this thread really has made me question what im getting for my money here... 10 million liability but it seems like there may be some extremely small print im missing saying i have no legal cover or gun insurance unless i pay a premium. Edited September 8, 2013 by Elmer Fudd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd 1 Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 does it mean my basc insurance is not actually a so called insurance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted September 8, 2013 Report Share Posted September 8, 2013 Membership subs are set by the elected members of Council. The cost of the optional extra insurance is the net cost of the policy with no commission or other payment to BASC Yes accounts are published in full every year and sent to all members. Full details of the insurance package on the BASC site - search 'insurance' we cover you liability in the event you are sued by a third party. Details of the cover and support on all firearms issues is on the firearms page of the BASC web Personally I agree, the sooner we get this cover rolled out to all the better! I hope to have more details at the weekend - come along and say Hi! David Hope u get that through David good luck as you say it needs to be part of the package Straight shooting Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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