peek-at Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) I was suprised to hear that there is a private members bill going through parliament with a view to bringing back national servce of 1 year for anyone between 18 and 26. In my opinion, not a bad idea for the minority of 'no hopers' out there with no respect for anyone. However, in reality this is going to affect the majority whose lives will be adversely affected by taking one year away from their jobs/families/children for minimum wage with the threat of being criminalised if they fail to comply. If anything, this should be an sentence open to a magistrate or judge.....not imposed on everyone regardless of their circumstances. I have made known my opposition on an epetition. Have a read of the bill for yourself and if required I have put a link to the epetition at the bottom. 1 National service system (1) Every individual who has attained the age of 18 years, and who has notattained the age of 26 years, shall be liable to serve one year of national serviceat some point between these years unless exempt. (2) 5Exempt individuals are those with severe mental or physical disability. (3) National service shall be defined as participation in a full time schemeaccredited by HM Government as meeting the requirements of national serviceand set out in regulations by the Secretary of State. (4) Non-exempt individuals who do not serve one year of national service before10the age of 26 years shall be guilty of an offence. 2 Scope of the scheme (1) Regulations shall provide that the scheme must extend the scope of theNational Citizen Service and include the following elements— (a) educational assistance for those participants who have yet to attain15basic educational requirements of reading and writing in English andmathematics; ( B) coaching and instruction to attain basic levels of physical fitness,personal discipline, smart appearance, self respect and respect forothers; © 20instruction in personal financial budgeting, household bills, nutrition,cooking, time keeping, life skills, tolerance towards others, treatingelderly and disabled people with dignity and respect; and (d) instruction in basic aspects of the law in relation to the most commonoffences involving young people. National Service BillPage 2 (2) Regulations shall also provide that the scheme shall include— (a) a residential element, requiring that participants live away from home;and ( B) an element of public service, comprising one or more of the following5to be chosen by the individual— (i) charitable work, (ii) social action, (iii) care for the elderly or disabled, (iv) overseas development activity, or (v) 10work connected with the National Health Service, theemergency services or the Armed Forces. 3 Pay and tax allowance for participants (1) Participants in national service shall be paid the national adult minimum wageduring their year of service with accommodation and travel funded by the15Secretary of State. (2) Regulations shall provide that a person who has successfully completed theiryear of national service shall be presented with a national service certificatewhich shall entitle them to a lifetime income tax rate personal allowance 10 percent above the personal allowance that would otherwise apply. 4 Interpretation In this Act “national adult minimum wage” means the minimum wage asspecified under section 2 of the National Minimum Wage Act 1998 andexemptions and modifications set out in section 3 of that Act shall not apply. 5 Financial provision 25There shall be paid out of money provided by Parliament— (a) any expenditure of the Secretary of State in consequence of this Act, and ( B) any increase attributable to this Act in the sums which under any other Actare payable out of money so provided. 6 Offence 30Regulations shall provide for those guilty of an offence under section 1(4) to besubject to a penalty. 7 Regulations Regulations under this Act shall be made by statutory instrument and may notbe made unless a draft of the regulations have been laid before, and approved35by a resolution of, each House of Parliament. 8 Short title, commencement and extent (1) This Act may be cited as the National Service Act 2013. (2) This Act comes into force one year after Royal Assent. (3) This Act extends to England and Wales. there is an epetition if you are opposed to the idea............ http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/54178 Edited September 11, 2013 by peek-at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Zero chance of this happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 If it were to become law I pity the poor regular military personnel who would have to deal with the no hope element! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byjovecarruthers Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 I suspect, like Switzerland and Germany, it would involve service in lots of public sectors. I stayed at a Youth Hostel in Grindalwald and the chef there was completing his national service. It includes hospitals, elderly care, emergency services and military service. It'll never happen in the UK anyway. the government claims that it can barely afford a professional army of 82,000 as it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 sadly many wouldnt turn up they would rather have some jail time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 another way of squaring the unemployed numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 There's always the disability exemption which every Tom, **** and scrote would try to claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danddo Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Just checked calendar and it is definitely not April 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 60 years too late. Damage is 2 or 3 generations old now. Its called closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Never going to happen. Given how long it takes to achieve a professional career these days I think it would be damaging to hard workers and of little benefit generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 never going to happen, can you see them training that lot of chaves up,no way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Zero chance of this happening. Got to agree not a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieboy Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 dont make everyone between these ages do it just the dole scroungers easily sorted this instead of dole money pay the wage for performance if they refuse then carry on with prison if anyone becomes unemployed then they do national service simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 the next step the government would take would be to sack the professionals and just use a free conscript army. It will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 peek-at for Prersident Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Unfortunately most of the ones who could do with this will be exempt under ,section 1 sub paragraph (1) severe mental problems . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 I agree with the concept of national service as it may develop skills, pride and respect in individuals, but i am not at all cool with a the thought of the countries youth effectively being conscripted. Some may end up in war zones and die. Its potentially a death warrant and i like to think we've moved on since the dark years of global conflict. If any fancy a tour whilst on NS then thats cool but i'd never support kids being packed off to fight against their will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 60 years too late. Damage is 2 or 3 generations old now. Its called closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. bang on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRYAN3 Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 Bang on? Yes he do's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeceknight Posted September 11, 2013 Report Share Posted September 11, 2013 I wanted to join the marines when I was at school but I can honestly say I would be severely pee'd off if after building my welding and fabricating career, starting my aerospace job and doing my selling, not to mention building my life and being with my girlfriend for 7 years, I then got called up at 24 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peek-at Posted September 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) At 24 I had a job, wife, mortgage and baby to support so how could I have done that whilst being away from home on minimum wage. I do agree with Arnieboy that a version of this could be useful for the long term unemployed (as well as offenders) but not for those who are making a life for themselves. It is an ill conceived idea & although I hope it would never have a chance of getting off the ground, I'm afriad I have very little faith in politicians. Hence signing the epetition.... Edited September 12, 2013 by peek-at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 10% lifetime income tax relief would be handy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 If it were to become law I pity the poor regular military personnel who would have to deal with the no hope element! The British army would take the scum of the earth and turn them into useful members of society - its what theve been doing for hundreds of years - undfortunatly this is not on the cards- its a year of working in a care home / as a foereign aid worker / what ever trendy things theycan ncome up with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 The British army would take the scum of the earth and turn them into useful members of society - its what theve been doing for hundreds of years - undfortunatly this is not on the cards- its a year of working in a care home / as a foereign aid worker / what ever trendy things theycan ncome up with? Even the army has its hands tied, there's not a lot they can do to someone that refuses to do anything and doesn't want to be there.... Its against their human rights and all that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieboy Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 this is were the money stops then if the refuse to do the service then they get nowt easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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