ferretfiddler Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 I have a Daystate Air rifle along with other cal rifles, my dilemma is I have an under 18yr old living at home. The Daystate has the electronic trigger on it, therefore do I need to lock it in my cabinet with my other rifles or can I leave it "switched off" on the key & in another safe place, thus giving me more room for my C/F's & others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 As I understand it the gun needs to be secured, not simply left unshootable. Cable lock it to something, perhaps ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 it has to be locked away,so any one under 18 cant get hold of it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 Doesn't need to be in a cabinet but you need to take reasonable precautions to prevent a minor from accessing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 You have to prevent under 18 year old getting to it, does not state a cabinet so a lockable cupboard,room, bike locked to a wall or whatever should do. Wait till they licence them...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfiddler Posted October 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 Thanks all, I think I will just leave it in the cabinet, easier. That way I can buy another cabinet & then put in for variations to fill it. ;-) job done, just got to get that passed by the screaming skull aka The Wife ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 Send the wife shopping and then sneak it in, she will never know. Worked for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 how old is the under 18? if its a baby or toddler then out of reach may be acceptable on top of a wardrobe for example. there is no specification for a cabinet or anything else. From February 2011, the Crime and Security Act 2010 makes it an offence for a person in possession of an air gun to fail to take “reasonable precautions” to prevent someone under the age of 18 from gaining unauthorised access to it. The legal advice contained within this publication remains unchanged e.g. 14-17 year olds may still use air guns unsupervised on private premises where they have permission etc. For further advice about reasonable precautions for storing for air guns not in use please contact BASC or see www.basc.org.uk for a copy of our fact sheet Young People and Airguns. http://www.basc.org.uk/en/utilities/document-summary.cfm/docid/0FB5C0CC-50ED-44AF-BDD7723D851D28BF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 I have just read this topic that you have pointed to.?.. What a load of cods wallop: Read it carefully.. it states it is OK to put it out of reach of small children, out of reach: then in the next breath it states it must be locked into the fabric of the house???... Somebody is pulling some bodys plonker.. Read it, it does not make sense at all.. So if somebody enters your house, does he have to be below the age of 2/3/4 years of age.. So he cannot reach it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) Until there is a test case there won't be a definitive answer to be 100% safe in a cabinet is the way to go but it isn't a necessity, each case needs considering, however the firearm needs to be prevented from under 18's accessing it (out of reach may be enough of a precaution)not just prevented from firing so taking the bottle of a pcp or a trigger lock only wouldn't comply. A trigger lock and out of reach may comply. Edited October 6, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchy trigger Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 when the fao came to see me about my renewal, my s400 air rifle was leaning against the dining table, they were not happy, remarked that it was not secure and should be in the cabinet, even though I told them I use it during the day on jackdaws and crows, expected me to go get it out of the cabinet each time a shot presented its self?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 when the fao came to see me about my renewal, my s400 air rifle was leaning against the dining table, they were not happy, remarked that it was not secure and should be in the cabinet, even though I told them I use it during the day on jackdaws and crows, expected me to go get it out of the cabinet each time a shot presented its self? ? Do you have under 18s in the house,if you don't you don't have to keep it secure tell him to mind his own business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinggun Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Do you have under 18s in the house,if you don't you don't have to keep it secure tell him to mind his own business That's exactly how me and a friend I shoot with understood it, no under 18s then no need to lock it away so lean against a wall or whatever, When there is under 18s in the house one day I will put a cable lock through the trigger guards which should be more than sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 I have just read this topic that you have pointed to.?.. What a load of cods wallop: Read it carefully.. it states it is OK to put it out of reach of small children, out of reach: then in the next breath it states it must be locked into the fabric of the house???... Somebody is pulling some bodys plonker.. Read it, it does not make sense at all.. So if somebody enters your house, does he have to be below the age of 2/3/4 years of age.. So he cannot reach it.. Taken from BASC Reasonable precautions will depend on the particular circumstances in each individual case. They could be a locked cupboard or a lock or locking device by which an air weapon can be attached to the fabric of a building, or to a fixed feature, or a security cord, lockable chain or similar device capable of passing through a point of anchorage within the building. Where children are very young, it might be sufficient simply to store any air weapons up high and out of their reach. Trigger guard locks do not satisfy the requirements, as they do not prevent the young person from having the air gun with them even though it cannot be fired. Note the use of "could" and "might" I very rarely have under 18's visit those that do are under 5, so on top of a wardrobe is sufficient in my mind for those rare circumstances, it would not if a 14-15 year old was to visit. The issue I guess is what happens if an under 18 burglar gets your gun, would the house being locked be enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchy trigger Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) Do you have under 18s in the house,if you don't you don't have to keep it secure tell him to mind his own business no, on my own in a farm cottage, farmer asked me to get them shot, shoot out the back door or windows, when the blackies are close enough, cottage has a lane going past, close by ( more than 50 feet) so only use the shotgun in the garden during the week, then not a lot prefer to go across the fields, well away from nosey parkers Edited October 7, 2013 by itchy trigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 The issue I guess is what happens if an under 18 burglar gets your gun, would the house being locked be enough:: (out of reach May be enough of a precaution) :: QUOTE HDAV::: Another one for the line said above:: Could : Might : May : <<:: You could Drive a Horse and Cart through this Rubbish, BASC should get their finger out and get this ANOMALY sorted once and for all::: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) Re the burglary aspect its simple,if you have taken precautions ie locked your front door then you have complied, you cannot have a situtation where an under 18 burglar breaks into your house committing a criminal offence and therby putting an I ncocent home owner and victim of crime in line for prosecution for failing to secure there home sufficently to prevent someone smashing a window in and stealing. An air rifle from ontop of a cubroard or wherever. Anyone who thinks differerent is mad or just arguing for the sake of it. In regard to preventing an undr18 having access then put it out of reach or locked in a cupboard or whatever, provided of course you have under 18's visit, if you don't then I wouldn't worry to much as if they don't visit/live there they won't have access to it. Edited for the amusing auto correct. Edited October 7, 2013 by GingerCat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) If you have a vacant space in your cabinet i would use it. I have a BSA SE ULTRA SUB 12LBS which could be locked to an anchor point in the cuboard (locked under stair cuboard)the gun safe is in this locked cuboard. But i keep it in the safe always due to there being a space.(just wouldnt fancy a visit from the FEO and him/her asking why i choose to not use the evedent space)On a personal level( and its my personal view i would buy a gun cabinet for an air rifle regardless of not haveing SGC/FAC.Why be willing to spend £500/£1000 on a air rifle and not bother with a cabinet costing as little as £150 or £60 second hand. PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A PERSONAL VIEW, I AM NOT FOR THE LAW CHANGING TO ENFORCE GUN CABINETS FOR SUB 12LB, BUT I SEE THIS GUN AS A FIREARM & IS HANDLES WITH THE SAME PRECAUTIONS & RESPECT AS MY RIMMY & SG'S Edited October 7, 2013 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 it need not be in a cabinet, just locked away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 no, on my own in a farm cottage, farmer asked me to get them shot, shoot out the back door or windows, when the blackies are close enough, cottage has a lane going past, close by ( more than 50 feet) so only use the shotgun in the garden during the week, then not a lot prefer to go across the fields, well away from nosey parkers when i was granted my sgc and the Feo came to look at my cabinet all my air rifles where in there and he stated as seeing i do not have any kids i didnt need to keep em in there and save the space for some thing more fun!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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