GingerCat Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 I thought (could be wrong) that if the gp charges then it is invalid. Anyone of good standing should be able to do it, except a serving police officer for some reason but they can do passports which I find odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Make a list of the people who you think could and would sign then phone your FLO and ask them which are acceptable otherwise you'll be backwards and forwards. Mine was signed by my paye boss and a manager at a place that I do contract cleaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) It's always been the rule that a director can sign but must have over 10 employees. Generally they don't check though. Seems you've been unlucky Can you point me in the direction of the legislation that states this please. I was not aware of this. I have been referee for way over 100 people in my capacity of rifle club secretary or Company owner, and I don't employ 10 people directly, this has never cropped up. Cheers Edited October 23, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 i havnt seen my doctor for over 3 years i dont think he would sign for a stranger Unless your doctor is a friend they will charge to sign the form. Persons who charge to sign the form can not act as countersignatories; neither can RFDs; would persons for whom I've acted as countersignatory / referee for in the past please note and don't think that I'm being awkward when you ask in the future. Few farmers emplloy 10 people. I get the impression that this is anopther case of a Firearms Licensing Deparment making up their own rules. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 I'm covered by Staffordshire and had to apply last year. I work at a big factory and got a Chartered Engineer I knew to countersign mine. I'm fairly sure that you can get someone who has served time in the Armed Forces to countersign as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 I thought (could be wrong) that if the gp charges then it is invalid. Anyone of good standing should be able to do it, except a serving police officer for some reason but they can do passports which I find odd. I also thought a counter-signatory could not charge, mine was signed by a local magistrate and he said he could not accept anything for doing it, maybe it's a bribery thing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Over the years I've had mine signed by accountant, social worker and fireman. As aris says teacher is also a good option. I'm sure if you relax and think about the people you know you'll come up with someone suitable. He must be a busy bloke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Funny coz I got ok from licencing on my counter signature as a non commissioned officer retired, its supposed to be commissioned officer. Anyway I mentioned to the FEO that my FAC counter sig didn't need anything in particular and they said "yeah, its a load of rubbish really" just phone you licensing dept and get them to agree to someone who knows you being suitable. I have done a good few over the years and have nothing really listed other than once being a councillor in the past and my own tickets for a good period, I just state my profession anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Can you point me in the direction of the legislation that states this please. I was not aware of this. I have been referee for way over 100 people in my capacity of rifle club secretary or Company owner, and I don't employ 10 people directly, this has never cropped up. Cheers Load of baloney if you ask me. I've countersigned several SGC and FAC apps in my capacity as a Company Director and never had one kicked back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 i do agree that one day you will only be able to own a shotgun if you live in a field... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 one day you wont be able to own one at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 one day you wont be able to own one at all. Not so sure on that one, as many reasons for opening things up more. I think "good reason" will come to shotgun ownership though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 im starting to panic now,police sent back 1st time because i forgot to sign back of pic,now they phoned me today saying my boss could not sign for me because new rules state that he has to employ 10 or more people and we have 7.i know someone who works for the mentally handicapped and have had a CRB test,would she be a candidate.the lady i spoke to today said a nurse or nursery teacher would be ok.HELP running out of time. . Ask them from what document they got this. It is total rubbish as far as I'm aware. There is no statutory requirement for this. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 It's always been the rule that a director can sign but must have over 10 employees. Generally they don't check though. Seems you've been unlucky As my previous; I've never ever heard this quoted and it most certainly is not and has never been in any Home Office guidance publications. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 I thought (could be wrong) that if the gp charges then it is invalid. Anyone of good standing should be able to do it, except a serving police officer for some reason but they can do passports which I find odd. The police don't issue passports though. It's a conflict of interest if someone from the issuing authority signs in support your application. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Not so sure on that one, as many reasons for opening things up more. I think "good reason" will come to shotgun ownership though. Unlikely, in my opinion. Not any time soon at any rate. That would inconvenience the 'right' sort of people who own shotguns, often lots of shotguns. We will never see the likes of David Cameron and the rest of the establishment having to demonstrate good reason to their underlings (the police) to hold on to the family Purdey's. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Not so sure on that one, as many reasons for opening things up more. I think "good reason" will come to shotgun ownership though. That would mean home office regulation of clay clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 A good mate used to do mine he was a retired police inspector he signed twice at renewal but this year when it was due he was away abroad for a few weeks holiday so a couple of my shooting mate signed no problem.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fazzer Posted October 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 an update ,i did phone up and ask i was told that anyone who has been CRB checked is fine,so now posted just need to wait.A couple of days ago there was a note put through my front door from posty saying id recieved a letter with no stamp,so had to go sorting office next day and pay £1.50.The letter was from shotgun licensing saying that my renewal application had been passed to another department for background checks,then when this gets the ok it would be passed onto the licensing dept.So think ive just been unlucky even though ive never been in trouble with law or even had any driving offenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claycrasher Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 I got my local post master to sign mine, she has known me for years but I was told a general rule of thumb is it can be any one who has a good profile or standing within the community, the list is endless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-06hunter Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 Whilst my SGC was in for renewal with my FAC application, it ran out.. So I gotuse'permit to posses' this allowed me to retain my guns but not allowed to use mine, buy or acquire any guns or ammo until the gun rental was completed, then I send back my 'permit to posses' when my New SGC arrives. Which has now happened along with a FAC for .22, .17 hmr, .243 and a .30-06. Dont be affried talk to them.. They are helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fazzer Posted October 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 i have spoken to them and even though my SGL runs out on the 3rd nov,as long as my application is back with them im ok . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 i have spoken to them and even though my SGL runs out on the 3rd nov,as long as my application is back with them im ok . NO you are not, this has been done to death here and on every shooting forum, you will NOT be in possession of a valid SGC/FAC. Your region do not make the law and have NO authority to change/bend the law, what you have been told a load of dogs doings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) If you have returned your application form in good time and are experiencing delays which may put you in unlawful possession of firearms when your certificate expires, then you should ask for a Temporary Permit under Section 7 of the Firearms Act 1968. This will allow you to keep and use your firearms and shotguns and also, by virtue of Section 5(2)(a) of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988, to purchase ammunition. Unfortunately it will not allow you to possess expanding ammunition – if you have any. This should be lodged with a registered firearms dealer until you have your renewed certificate. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEwQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.basc.org.uk%2Fdownload.cfm%2Fdocid%2F6DADB271-D8D5-4EEF-B71B486DEB7A38C2&ei=_QRsUr_9KdGN7AaKmIEQ&usg=AFQjCNEnNEOuhcMqU8udgSSG1bqAvC7aqg&bvm=bv.55123115,d.ZGU Edited October 26, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy dog Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 Any land lord will be able to sign it mate. My local land lord done mine for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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