GingerCat Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 How quiet are silenced .410's and 9mm garden guns?, Not interested in bigger bores or effective range just how q they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 I've had a 410 hushpower and now have a 20g Hushpower The 20g is quieter, which surprised me. In my mind the 410 was still too loud and could disturb the neighbours The 20g. can be used without worrying the neighbours The 20g patterns way better than the 410 and has more umph. Necessary to use subsonic loads with both, for the proper effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hmm, not particularly quiet then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Certainly not like a .22lr subsonic or an air rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I have the single barrel full length moderator baikal .410. With Eley subsonics it is sounds like a twangy springer to the shooter. There is more noise if it echoes back from a nearby wall etc. I also have a 3 shot mossberg pump which is much noisier, probably due to the moderator being much shorter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 How loud would it be say 50 yards away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 fireing one must be like having a drain pipe on the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markbrowning Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) How loud would it be say 50 yards away?I used to own a hushpower 12G Mossberg pump action. I now own a Baikal .410 hushpower gun. Obviously the smaller bore the quieter it will be, the 410 is the quietest in the range. Single barrels are also quieter over pumps, and anything with a full length moderator will be quieter again. The Baikal .410 hushpower conversation is said to be at around 80% noise reduction where as the screw on silencer is around 60%. How quiet the thing will depend of your cartridge. A friend and I tested many different cartridges and the quietest were the Hull Game & Clay cartridge 2.5". Then about the same, but marginally louder were the 3" eley subsonics. Using the above two cartridges at around 50-60m you will struggle to hear anything. Getting distance is the biggest thing, many people are unimpressed with the 410 hushpower because it's still quite loud at the breach end (shooters perspective). Move further away and you will find its inaudible over normal background noise. I have fired my 410 in my back garden with no one inside the house realising I have done so. There is also a .410 Hushpower review in this months or could be last months now.... Gunmart magazine. If you after a garden gun then I would recommend it. There is also the Bretton & Gaucher G12, however I've been told it's not as quiet as the Baikal .410 Edited January 12, 2014 by Markbrowning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markbrowning Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 fireing one must be like having a drain pipe on the front. The 12G certainly was, was balanced awkwardly but was something you could get used to in time. However the 410 is still very light and pointable. It is around 50" in length but you wouldn't know. You can shoot & swing with gun like any other. I would urge people to go try one out / pick one up and think they would be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plank06 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I've got the mossberg hushpower, and I'm very impressed, i'd say with the 2.5inch carts it's no louder then a clapping your hands, the 3 inch eley subs are noticeably louder to the user, but I've yet to experience them stood well away from the gun. I've only had the one shot at a flying target, resulting in a dead in the air 25 yard crow, with subsonic 6's. Love the gun and whichever you get you won't regret it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 How loud would it be say 50 yards away? I had a moderated baikal .410 and it was really impressive. It does sound loud to the shooter but me and another forum member took turns in shooting and the other stood 50-60yrds away and the difference is fantastic. I always used standard loads as the subsonics are a rip off and not that quiet. Your definitely better off with either a baikal or pedretti with regards to noise but having the extra shots off the mossberg would be really handy and worth the sacrifice, I'd love a modded .410 o/u shame they don't do one yet. I'd highly recommend getting one, I regret selling mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel100 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Can only agree with those commenting on the .410 Baikal. I stood next to a friend whilst he was shooting squirrels in the garden. A loud, 'twangy' sound, stood next to him BUT, it doesn't sound like a gun and therefore, less likely to arouse interest from people nearby. People in the front garden and in the kitchen could not hear shooting from the dining room into the back garden. Much noisier than an air gun or modded .22rf but to repeat, it doesn't sound like a gun at all. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I have a Hushpower 20g Mossberg 500. I know you asked about .410 etc but the basic design of the gun is the same. Although the makers suggest trying a few different cartridge loads I've found it performs best with their own sub loads. With heavier loads the suppressor means my neighbours horses won't even look up from their grub, whereas a standard 20g with AAA through them has them running around like crazy donkeys - and that's at 150yds plus! So a 'tick' for good relations in the parish. You also don't feel the need for ear defenders - not sure about longer term issues - so you are more aware of your surroundings. The long can is a heavy old thing and screws with your aim so it takes a while to get to grips with this design. Either a false raised rib can be added to bring your sight line up to the top of the can or go all 'Mossberg owner' and fit a red dot! A fibre optic might do the trick too. Effective range drops a few yards The action of the Mossberg is a noisy old thing and rattles in the field. I guess in the US for 'home defence (ahem sorry Defense yeehah!)' the sound of the action being cycled is meant to put the fear of god into your intruder. Not much use in the British countryside tho'. I'm still undecided - an interesting niche gun, has it's uses but also frustrating design compromises. Their OU version is a much much better design, but the action they've based it on is nasty - sorry HP! If they could put a slicker feeling ejector action into the gun it would be fabuloso!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Many thanks for all the replies, any tried a 9mm silenced? The reason I ask is I'm moving very shirtly and will get rats, there is a stream ans chicken run bordering fields. Have. Airgun and know how useful they are but like shooting thhings whilst they move/if they move. Hence the small bore shotgun. Neighbors are around 50 yards away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 i have the pedretti full barrel moderator and its very quite i can shoot standing next to some horse and they don't even lift there head the noise from me as shooters point is a sneeze/ping sound so 50 yard neighbors should not even hear much if you where near me i would let you try it i used it so much now since September i have done 275 cartridges in with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 i dont have a silenced jobbie. but i do make subsonics. i reload #6 minimum for clays and 4 and 2 for whatever. anyone discussing lack of range with these, does not understand or have tested them. i save £80 just making subsonics. #4 and #2 will cleanly get game. beyond the reasonable ranges most would shoot at. i patterened tons of these and subs pattern tight. tighter than any other load. the #2#4 is to hit like a freight train. even with the "low shotcount" patterns are like xxfull / 100% or more. i wouldnt even use a silenced gun below 28gauge. its not worth the hassle. thats not to say they are bad calibres. but 12s are more versatile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I would agree that the best person to judge the noise from a Hushpower (I have the 20ga o/u) is someone standing 30 yards behind it. Mine makes a dull thud noise, like someone hitting a wooden stake with a hammer and is almost inaudible from 30 yards behind. Think hard before getting a 9mm garden gun, they may be great fun , but are seriously restrictive in their usage. A .410 gives you many more options and will kill rats out to a better range (and more humanely) than a 9mm garden gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Their OU version is a much much better design, but the action they've based it on is nasty - sorry HP! If they could put a slicker feeling ejector action into the gun it would be fabuloso!! Agreed, that's why I didn't buy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger got stichs Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 i dont have a silenced jobbie. but i do make subsonics. i reload #6 minimum for clays and 4 and 2 for whatever. anyone discussing lack of range with these, does not understand or have tested them. i save £80 just making subsonics. #4 and #2 will cleanly get game. beyond the reasonable ranges most would shoot at. i patterened tons of these and subs pattern tight. tighter than any other load. the #2#4 is to hit like a freight train. even with the "low shotcount" patterns are like xxfull / 100% or more. i wouldnt even use a silenced gun below 28gauge. its not worth the hassle. thats not to say they are bad calibres. but 12s are more versatile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 My 20ga Hushpower is based on the Pedretti action and although its not the best there is, I don't find it a problem, or a demerit to the effectiveness of the gun. If you look at the economics of the gun, there is no way it would have a retail price of around £800+ if it was based on a gun that cost £1000's in its unconverted state. Saddlery and Gunrooms do say that they will do a "made to measure" conversion, if a customer requests it (and I assume, is prepared to pay for it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Am I correct in saying that to get the moderator to come right down the barrels to the receiver, S&G needed to use a non-ejector action? I like the idea of a 20b OU hushpower but am completely put off by the Investarm action which looks pretty grotty. There are are cheap OU guns out there which could be converted (Huglu?), but most are ejector guns and the ejector mechanics in the forend would likely prevent having a full length mod. I have a hushpower converted Greener GP. The idea was to get a full length moderator and avoiding a break open design. It does point like a drain pipe however! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.