scottish independance

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

Think you have it wrong there ma freind .... ,irish team, probably a big no from the rangers fans in my opinion ,but its nice to know there are a few concerned english members on here (that dont stay in scotland) that take the time to voice their opinion on a scottish matter,I shall make my own mind up regarding my vote as i missed out on the last vote to include scotland in the union.

johnnie

 

Aye, ye cannae beat a considered response from a balanced Scot with a chip on each shoulder that believes in free speech

 

It's a pity that all the members of the UK parliament ex Scottie land didnae do the same...

Edited January 27, 2014 by Dead-Eyed Duck

[AULD YIN]

 

Aye, ye cannae beat a considered response from a balanced Scot with a chip on each shoulder that believes in free speech

 

It's a pity that all the members of the UK parliament ex Scottie land didnae do the same...

 

There you go, you have me down to a tee ,only thing i would disagree with is i believe there is no such thing as free speech nowadays,if you think there is you are sadly mistaken.

johnnie

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

 

There you go, you have me down to a tee ,only thing i would disagree with is i believe there is no such thing as free speech nowadays,if you think there is you are sadly mistaken.

johnnie

 

Well there you go, democracy out of the window.

 

Now I don't like (putting it mildly) Alex Salmon and his divisive policies, but I would defend his right to do what he is doing. Only the voters of Scotland can boot him out if they agree to do so. Hopefully they will have open minds to both sides of the debate.

 

For what it's worth I believe in the United Kingdom, as surely 4 small countries bonded together by mutual agreement can do more than single small countries on their own.

 

For over three years I used to sell in Scotland and truly loved the banter between myself and my customers and potentials there. There are nutters on both side of the independence debate, and if I was subject to abuse I used to say with a deadpan face "Aye, Culloden is a wonderful place!" and await the response. 'Normal' people would then understandably assert their love of Bannockburn, and quite right too.

 

History can be bunk, but it is history and we can all learn from it and put it in the right context of todays world.

[AULD YIN]

Lets just wait and see the outcome of the vote,whether history plays a part in the decision will be open to debate

johnnie

Edited January 27, 2014 by AULD YIN

[chacotawas]

Scots are effectively disenfranchised by the Union. Scotland would NEVER vote for a Tory administration (we've ONE Conservative MP, for gawd's sake!) yet we find ourselves living governed by Conservatives . What this clearly shows is that we are a significantly different culture with different values and priorities from England. For that reason ALONE it seems to me unthinkable to vote anything but YES. Btw, I speak as one who votes Conservative, and who would be happy to see us out of Europe- which isn't going to happen with an independent Scotland. I know that in an independent Scotland I'll see out my days in a broadly socialist country; that wouldn't be what I personally would like but it is clearly the wish of the great majority of my fellow Scots and they should be able to have what they overwhelmingly vote for. So,vote YES I certainly shall. Btw, what has liking Salmond got to do with ANYTHING!

Edited January 27, 2014 by chacotawas

[aris]

Scots are effectively disenfranchised by the Union. Scotland would NEVER vote for a Tory administration (we've ONE Conservative MP, for gawd's sake!) yet we find ourselves living governed by Conservatives . What this clearly shows is that we are a significantly different culture with different values and priorities from England. For that reason ALONE it seems to me unthinkable to vote anything but YES. Btw, I speak as one who votes Conservative, and who would be happy to see us out of Europe- which isn't going to happen with an independent Scotland. I know that in an independent Scotland I'll see out my days in a broadly socialist country; that wouldn't be what I personally would like but it is clearly the wish of the great majority of my fellow Scots and they should be able to have what they overwhelmingly vote for. So,vote YES I certainly shall. Btw, what has liking Salmond got to do with ANYTHING!

 

Yes, and the previous PM (a walking disaster) was a Scot. You have a devolved government who can spend on local services as they please - and get more per capita spent in Scotland than anywhere else in the UK. But the vote is your choice of course.

[saddler]

 

Yes, and the previous PM (a walking disaster) was a Scot. You have a devolved government who can spend on local services as they please - and get more per capita spent in Scotland than anywhere else in the UK. But the vote is your choice of course.

 

The previous PM? Who - Gordon Brown?

 

Maybe a Google search will enlighten you somewhat - but to save your fingers - Tony BLIAR was born in Edinburgh.

The fact he had the typical Scottish higher class education, so that he didn't talk like Private Fraser from Dads Army does not lessen the fact that he is Scottish!

 

That makes the previous TWO Labour PM's Scottish

[figgy]

The above quote says it all for me. Anymore jocks in power and we are all doomed, doomed I tell yer

 

Al *** ma coat on tha way ooot

g,I,t

 

Figgy

Edited January 27, 2014 by figgy

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

Scots are effectively disenfranchised by the Union. Scotland would NEVER vote for a Tory administration (we've ONE Conservative MP, for gawd's sake!) yet we find ourselves living governed by Conservatives . What this clearly shows is that we are a significantly different culture with different values and priorities from England. For that reason ALONE it seems to me unthinkable to vote anything but YES. Btw, I speak as one who votes Conservative, and who would be happy to see us out of Europe- which isn't going to happen with an independent Scotland. I know that in an independent Scotland I'll see out my days in a broadly socialist country; that wouldn't be what I personally would like but it is clearly the wish of the great majority of my fellow Scots and they should be able to have what they overwhelmingly vote for. So,vote YES I certainly shall. Btw, what has liking Salmond got to do with ANYTHING!

 

You misinformed poor soul - to state that you have one conservative MP = you are a different culture.

 

Perhaps you haven't noticed but there are vast areas of England with neither a tory (or labour) MP. Does that mean that the NW or NE of England should try to become independent (as they probably have a greater population than Scotland?)

 

All this means is that different areas have different perspectives (maybe based on history) and so vote accordingly.

 

To use a phrase often used - "You could put a donkey up as MP in this area, and they would still vote tory (or labour)"

 

That has got absolutely nowt to do with the fact that Scottieland (in your opinion) should vote yes..

Edited January 27, 2014 by Dead-Eyed Duck

[AULD YIN]

 

You misinformed poor soul - to state that you have one conservative MP = you are a different culture.

 

Perhaps you haven't noticed but there are vast areas of England with neither a tory (or labour) MP. Does that mean that the NW or NE of England should try to become independent (as they probably have a greater population than Scotland?)

 

All this means is that different areas have different perspectives (maybe based on history) and so vote accordingly.

 

To use a phrase often used - "You could put a donkey up as MP in this area, and they would still vote tory (or labour)"

 

That has got absolutely nowt to do with the fact that Scottieland (in your opinion) should vote yes..

You do yourself no favours ...Scottieland ,,,,,can you not put over your point without this type of silliness.

johnnie

Edited January 27, 2014 by AULD YIN

[scouser]

will we get the money back for bailing out R.B.S.

[kdubya]

apparently sturgeon has designed the national dress and the national anthem should independence be voted in, this is a dress rehearsal

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aBNibb7QBA

[keg]

apparently sturgeon has designed the national dress and the national anthem should independence be voted in, this is a dress rehearsal

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aBNibb7QBA

[AULD YIN]

apparently sturgeon has designed the national dress and the national anthem should independence be voted in, this is a dress rehearsal

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aBNibb7QBA

You must get your news late in hartlepool.... dress rehearsal in the 70s.

johnnie

[Dekers]

Let them have independence and let them stand by themselves!

 

In honesty I see Great Britain as just that, all the countries have their strengths and weaknesses and personally I believe we work pretty well together, (of course there are national anomalies) but if you want independence then have it, but don't come crawling for any subsidies/handouts!

 

Not good for either county concerned in my view!

[saddler]

apparently sturgeon has designed the national dress and the national anthem should independence be voted in, this is a dress rehearsal

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aBNibb7QBA

 

According to the YES vote propaganda "newspaper" that was delivered today its worse than that....the YES vote is fully endorsed by the Proclaimers!

 

It never fails to impress me how many musician/actor/celebrity type endorsements King Eck can drag out of the woodwork - all of them without exception being Scottish by birth but now permanently residents of foreign countries, some even with dual citizenship to boot....wonder what their fees are?

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

You do yourself no favours ...Scottieland ,,,,,can you not put over your point without this type of silliness.

johnnie

 

Two main tribes inhabited the area now known as Scotland - the Picts and Scotti (or Scoti). hence the current name of Scotland.

 

Don't you know any Scottie history, you silly person?

[kdubya]

You must get your news late in hartlepool.... dress rehearsal in the 70s.

johnnie

lord or should that be laird or lard! humor bypass or what? maybe this will cheers you up ( don't play if foul language offends) so that's OK north of Berwick then :lol:

 

Edited January 27, 2014 by kdubya

[AULD YIN]

 

Two main tribes inhabited the area now known as Scotland - the Picts and Scotti (or Scoti). hence the current name of Scotland.

 

Don't you know any Scottie history, you silly person?

Seems you know better than me i always thought it was the picts and the scotts but you go back to the 5th century ,, dont call you Angles do i ,,also i have a vote on this post subject do you?

Scoti

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For people with the surname "Scotti", see Scotti (surname).

Scoti or Scotti was the generic name used by Late Roman authors to describe the Irish warbands who raidedRoman Britain.^[1] The earliest instance of the term is in the appendix to the Laterculus Veronensis, dated to c.314.^[2] Formerly, Latin writers called the Irish Hiberni. Thereafter, periodic raids by Scoti are reported by several later fourth-/early fifth-century Latin writers, namely Pacatus,^[3]Ammianus Marcellinus,^[4]Claudian^[5]and the Chronica Gallica of 452.^[6] Two references to Scoti have recently been identified in Greek literature (as Σκόττοι), in the works of Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, writing in the 370s.^[7] The fragmentary evidence suggests an intensification of Irish raiding from the early 360s, culminating in the so-called "barbarian conspiracy" of 367-8, and continuing up to and beyond the end of Roman rule c.410. The location and frequency of attacks by Scoti remain unclear, as do the origin and identity of the Irish population-groups who participated in these raids.^[8] The term Scoti gradually came to embrace all Gaels. In the fifth century, the Gaelic kingdom ofDál Riata emerged on the west coast of Scotland. As this kingdom grew in size and influence, the name was applied to all its subjects – hence the modern terms Scot, Scottish and Scotland.^[9]

The etymology of Late Latin Scoti is unclear. It is not a Latin derivation, nor does it correspond to any knownGoidelic term the Irish used to name themselves as a whole or a constituent population-group. The implication is that this Late Latin word rendered a Primitive Irish term for a social grouping, occupation or activity, and only later became an ethnonym. Several derivations have been conjectured but none has gained general acceptance in mainstream scholarship. In the nineteenth century Aonghas MacCoinnich proposed that Scoti came from Gaelic Sgaothaich, meaning "crowd".^[10]Charles Oman favoured Gaelic Scuit, with the sense of a "man cut-off" or "broken man", suggesting this was not a general word for Gaels but a band of outcast raiders.^[11] More recently, Philip Freeman has speculated on the likelihood of a group of raiders adopting a name from an Indo-European root, *skot, citing the parallel in Greek skotos (σκότος), meaning "darkness, gloom".^[12]

See also[edit]

Edited January 27, 2014 by AULD YIN

[m3vert]

will we get the money back for bailing out R.B.S.

Depends on who "we" is? The UK bailed them out ya nugget!

apparently sturgeon has designed the national dress and the national anthem should independence be voted in, this is a dress rehearsal

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aBNibb7QBA

apparently sturgeon has designed the national dress and the national anthem should independence be voted in, this is a dress rehearsal

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aBNibb7QBA

Lol good one! :-)

[Dekers]

.................................

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aBNibb7QBA

 

How times change................

[AULD YIN]

 

How times change................

Sadly By this time the tattie man (tam )had allegedly been touching them up.

johnnie

[Pastiebap]

I sincerely hope Wee Eck and the Tartan Taliban get a flea in their ear come September. Never mind who said what where when and pays gets what, Scotland is a valuable part to the United Kingdom and should stay that way. The fact that a party (the SNP) who's only reason to exist is hatred of the English is pushing for this tells me all I need to know.

Not only that, I don't know if I could be bothered changing money and going through immigration everyime I wanted to visit my mates lol

Edited January 27, 2014 by Pastiebap

[bicykillgaz]

 

 

That's an interesting combination!

Means he'll be as tight as a ducks aris!

[Dead-Eyed Duck]

 

Seems you know better than me i always thought it was the picts and the scotts but you go back to the 5th century ,, dont call you Angles do i ,,also i have a vote on this post subject do you?

Scoti

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For people with the surname "Scotti", see Scotti (surname).

Scoti or Scotti was the generic name used by Late Roman authors to describe the Irish warbands who raidedRoman Britain.^[1] The earliest instance of the term is in the appendix to the Laterculus Veronensis, dated to c.314.^[2] Formerly, Latin writers called the Irish Hiberni. Thereafter, periodic raids by Scoti are reported by several later fourth-/early fifth-century Latin writers, namely Pacatus,^[3]Ammianus Marcellinus,^[4]Claudian^[5]and the Chronica Gallica of 452.^[6] Two references to Scoti have recently been identified in Greek literature (as Σκόττοι), in the works of Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, writing in the 370s.^[7] The fragmentary evidence suggests an intensification of Irish raiding from the early 360s, culminating in the so-called "barbarian conspiracy" of 367-8, and continuing up to and beyond the end of Roman rule c.410. The location and frequency of attacks by Scoti remain unclear, as do the origin and identity of the Irish population-groups who participated in these raids.^[8] The term Scoti gradually came to embrace all Gaels. In the fifth century, the Gaelic kingdom ofDál Riata emerged on the west coast of Scotland. As this kingdom grew in size and influence, the name was applied to all its subjects – hence the modern terms Scot, Scottish and Scotland.^[9]

The etymology of Late Latin Scoti is unclear. It is not a Latin derivation, nor does it correspond to any knownGoidelic term the Irish used to name themselves as a whole or a constituent population-group. The implication is that this Late Latin word rendered a Primitive Irish term for a social grouping, occupation or activity, and only later became an ethnonym. Several derivations have been conjectured but none has gained general acceptance in mainstream scholarship. In the nineteenth century Aonghas MacCoinnich proposed that Scoti came from Gaelic Sgaothaich, meaning "crowd".^[10]Charles Oman favoured Gaelic Scuit, with the sense of a "man cut-off" or "broken man", suggesting this was not a general word for Gaels but a band of outcast raiders.^[11] More recently, Philip Freeman has speculated on the likelihood of a group of raiders adopting a name from an Indo-European root, *skot, citing the parallel in Greek skotos (σκότος), meaning "darkness, gloom".^[12]

See also[edit]

 

 

You have provided the answer that you refute - look at the first sentence in the Wilkipedia that you have so thoughtfully quoted - it refers to the Scotti.

 

You appear to say that as you have a vote on it, then any non - Scots (or whatever) should not have an interest.

 

But there again - in a previous post on this subject you state that you do not believe in free speech - says it all!!