Oli383 Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I do 50/50 and have just got a sporter, its excellent for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Revo are a new to the UK Turkish brand , Never fired one myself, but maybe better to add a couple of hundred more to your budget to get a better gun, Bettinsoli, Lincoln, Yeldiz etc or buy secondhand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 There is a saying 'beware the man with only 1 gun' if u have only the 1 gun u will/should swing it like its part of u, but if ur constantly chopping and changing guns for different tings clays/game esp when starting off u will never get the 'feel' for ur gun., .................. There is another saying, "Believe nothing you hear or read and only half of what you see!" I'm sure everyone with 2 or more shotguns will be pleased to hear they have wasted their time and money and should get rid of all but one of them! :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I have a sporting gun which I use for game shooting all the time..... more about fit than anything else. Make sure it has multi-chokes and fits and you'll be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 There is a saying 'beware the man with only 1 gun' Fact: If someone makes it, somebody will buy it. Fact: There's an element of truth in the above quote which goes on to say, "as he can probably shoot it". You've not said what clay pigeon shooting you are doing, other than 50;50 clay:game. If it's for fun/relaxation, then get a game gun. If it's for competition, then get a game gun. Because odds on are you're not going to be absolutely sure what discipline you're going to take to. When you've made your mind up, you'll want another gun to suit. Fine, and you also now have a game gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 There is another saying, "Believe nothing you hear or read and only half of what you see!" I'm sure everyone with 2 or more shotguns will be pleased to hear they have wasted their time and money and should get rid of all but one of them! :good: Not saying having 2 guns is a waste of time but as a newcomer to the sport it would be good advice to stick to 1 gun and get the feel for it and gain some experience and confidence first, later on he can change or buy a second gun that suits his needs or is more specialised for wot ever he wants to do. Bottom line is there is a lot of good shots out there who will constantly shoot better than people who are always changing chokes/guns for different disciplnes, If u know ur gun and swing it well there probably is a better change of u pointing it in the right general direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Why is that? Surely an automatic safety is more of a guarantee that the safety should be on. When i mount the safety comes off and when i dismount it goes on without even thinking about it, so should make no difference but there is always the chance u forget. Not everyone is as safety concious as they should be and not just new shots infact quite often older more experienced shots can become complacent Atleast with an auto when u break the gun it will go on and u may even hear it go on and give u a fright it was left off Must admit i never even knew some clay guns where non auto safety as always shot sxs, even when i had my semi i was constantly checking i had reapplied the safety, got quite paranoid about it. 1 of the reasons i got rid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Surely an automatic safety is more of a guarantee that the safety should be on. When i mount the safety comes off and when i dismount it goes on without even thinking about it, so should make no difference but there is always the chance u forget. Not everyone is as safety concious as they should be and not just new shots infact quite often older more experienced shots can become complacent Atleast with an auto when u break the gun it will go on and u may even hear it go on and give u a fright it was left off Must admit i never even knew some clay guns where non auto safety as always shot sxs, even when i had my semi i was constantly checking i had reapplied the safety, got quite paranoid about it. 1 of the reasons i got rid My opinion, an auto safety shotgun is no "safer" long thread about it so wont go into long detail here. Did you know that a shotgun with safety on can still go bang? If the muzzles are not in a safe direction gun should not be loaded........ period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yes ur totally right but surely any extra layers of safety have to be a positive thing when something unexpected happens, say a fall while rough shooting. Yes a gun could go off if it's a hard fall possibly barrels also shut during the fall, but if the safety has been left off it only takes something to brush the trigger in the same fall, or a branch if barrells are shut say a walking gun/rough shooting. Doubt i'll ever own a non auto safety again Would u be happy shooting (esp rough shooting, ferreting) alongside someone who did not have a safety on there gun? Or would u ever happily go shooting with ur own gun if the safety wasn't working? I know i wouldn't be happy with either of above scenerios, but there is no substiute for safe gun handling and muzzle awarness at all times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Safety has only been applied to my gun once........ Never had a negligent discharge guns with empty chambers don't go off.... If you are likely fall, climbing fences etc you shouldn't have a gun in your hands..... Guns should always be checked clear and no reason to "relieve" the tension on the springs.....like I said my opinion..... Edited January 28, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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welshwarrior Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I use the safety all the time that's my choice, I'll shoot with anyone who doesn't or does. If they have poor muzzle awareness I will point it out nicely to start with getting more direct. If I see the cross an obstacle with cartridges in the gun open or not they will get a piece of my mind and if it's my shoot they will be going home only happened once this year the others all took my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Out off curosity wot type of shooting do u mainly do HDAV? If ur purely a clay shooter i can see ur point. But anyone who does game or hide shooting Must apply and use the safety. Even standing on a peg all day should be fairly idiot proof but i hope most would still be applying the safety after every shot/mount. Must admit i would not really like to shoot with someone who does not use their safety (i mainly do rough shooting/walked up/over pointers or walk stand 1) must admit has never crossed my mind that people would NOT apply the safety. In most of the listed types of shooting there will be times u will be walking throu/over thick cover if the dog is indicating scent, i would have no problem with a gun being closed but safety should always be on until u mount. Mibee something for my shoot safety briefings in future Actually find it hard to believe anyone wouldn't use there safety, and dread to think that some newcomers to the sport would read this and think it is ok not to use there safety. Yes muzzle awarness is vital but 'guns with empty chambers' don't tend to shoot much when walking up and while i would never subsitute a larger bag for poorer safety it simply is not practical to walk up with ur gun empty, broken yes Same with clay taught people closing there gun by lifting there barrels and not lifting there butt, not safe in a game environment, but i can understand the reason in a clay environment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Actually find it hard to believe anyone wouldn't use there safety, and dread to think that some newcomers to the sport would read this and think it is ok not to use there safety. Yes muzzle awarness is vital but 'guns with empty chambers' don't tend to shoot much when walking up and while i would never subsitute a larger bag for poorer safety it simply is not practical to walk up with ur gun empty, broken yes Same with clay taught people closing there gun by lifting there barrels and not lifting there butt, not safe in a game environment, but i can understand the reason in a clay environment I mainly shoot clays but do shoot game when the opportunity presents itself, I'm concerned that a newbie may think that "as long as the safety is on the gun is safe"......... As you say do not substitute safety for a larger bag, walked up with an open gun, depends on the walking and the person, I fear we are veering back down a recently and well trodden path. Suffice to say there is an element of personal responsibility, in that we are responsible for both ours and others safety, part of that responsibility is being confident in our and others approach to safety. As the construction is keen to promote "don't walk by" if you see something you feel is unsafe or has the potential to be say something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Out off curosity wot type of shooting do u mainly do HDAV? If ur purely a clay shooter i can see ur point. But anyone who does game or hide shooting Must apply and use the safety. Even standing on a peg all day should be fairly idiot proof but i hope most would still be applying the safety after every shot/mount. Must admit i would not really like to shoot with someone who does not use their safety (i mainly do rough shooting/walked up/over pointers or walk stand 1) must admit has never crossed my mind that people would NOT apply the safety. In most of the listed types of shooting there will be times u will be walking throu/over thick cover if the dog is indicating scent, i would have no problem with a gun being closed but safety should always be on until u mount. Mibee something for my shoot safety briefings in future Actually find it hard to believe anyone wouldn't use there safety, and dread to think that some newcomers to the sport would read this and think it is ok not to use there safety. Yes muzzle awarness is vital but 'guns with empty chambers' don't tend to shoot much when walking up and while i would never subsitute a larger bag for poorer safety it simply is not practical to walk up with ur gun empty, broken yes Same with clay taught people closing there gun by lifting there barrels and not lifting there butt, not safe in a game environment, but i can understand the reason in a clay environment I disagree with your last point the barrels bought up to meet the action is fine the muzzle should not point further out than 6-8 foot. There should be no beaters that close. But we digress from the question. Edited January 28, 2014 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I can see ur point HDAV about people wrongly persuming a gun is totally 'safe' with the safety on and i didn't know this has been covered recently, and done to death by the sound of it, i might have a look throu it. BUT surely an extra layer of safety can only be a good thing. Thatas like saying i'm a good driver and not wearing ur seat belt I say to the boys every shoot morning to speak up there and then if they see anything unsafe, quite happy to stop a drive until it is sorted and never to be embarassed about speaking up no matter how experienced u or they are. U don't get many second chances Must admit purely from my own opinion i would not be happy having someone on my shoot who does not apply the safety, end off. And u will never convince me otherwise. Yes ur muzzle awareness may be good but anyone can slip only takes a branch, coat flap, toggle on game bag to catch trigger for it to go off, even a hide shooter plenty of oppurtunity to Veering back onto the thread, I have been shooting for 25 years now starting off as a full time keeper (and now a shoot captain/part time keeper) running a small shoot, i personally doubt i'll ever buy a non auto safty shotgun again, my advice to any newbie would be to buy a gun with an auto safety but also be very aware of ur muzzles at all times, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 scotslad i would not be happy having someone on my shoot who does not apply the safety, end off. And u will never convince me otherwise. I would not be happy to shoot with anyone who believed that having the safety catch on made the gun safe. I never use the safety catch - each to their own - but I assume that a gun could go off at any time, so I keep it pointed somewhere safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) I can see ur point HDAV about people wrongly persuming a gun is totally 'safe' with the safety on and i didn't know this has been covered recently, and done to death by the sound of it, i might have a look throu it. BUT surely an extra layer of safety can only be a good thing. Thatas like saying i'm a good driver and not wearing ur seat belt I say to the boys every shoot morning to speak up there and then if they see anything unsafe, quite happy to stop a drive until it is sorted and never to be embarassed about speaking up no matter how experienced u or they are. U don't get many second chances Must admit purely from my own opinion i would not be happy having someone on my shoot who does not apply the safety, end off. And u will never convince me otherwise. Yes ur muzzle awareness may be good but anyone can slip only takes a branch, coat flap, toggle on game bag to catch trigger for it to go off, even a hide shooter plenty of oppurtunity to Veering back onto the thread, I have been shooting for 25 years now starting off as a full time keeper (and now a shoot captain/part time keeper) running a small shoot, i personally doubt i'll ever buy a non auto safty shotgun again, my advice to any newbie would be to buy a gun with an auto safety but also be very aware of ur muzzles at all times, You may want to have a look at this brilliant thread by Paul233 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/272325-how-a-safety-catch-works/ scotslad I would not be happy to shoot with anyone who believed that having the safety catch on made the gun safe. I never use the safety catch - each to their own - but I assume that a gun could go off at any time, so I keep it pointed somewhere safe. There we have it gentlemen, i guess thats why many guns are switchable with a small bit of metal and 5 minutes on the bench.............. Edited January 28, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) HDAV - thanks for the post. It has re-inforced my view, but I have to say that is scary. Edited January 28, 2014 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yes each to there own, but i still would not be happy to shoot with anyone who does not apply the safety. Especiaclly the type of shooting i do Yes with a bang on the stock a gun may go off but that is true wether or not u have applied the safety, just cannot understand why anyone would not apply it, it takes a split secong to apply/on/off of as u mount/dismount the gun. Why would anyone not use it. It is not designed for a substiute for good muzzle awareness and i have never made out that it makes a gun 'safe' but it does make the gun safer but still no excuse for poor muzzle awarness, they should both be used at all times its not a choice either or I did look a the thread highlighted, didn't really make any difference to my view, as have always been taught never to trust the safety. Yes it may only be catching by a small area and only takes a small movement to free the trigger, but it stil is an extra movement that would not be required if the safety is off, and if the stock is hit fairly hard the sear could go but that is wether or not safety on. So i still can't see any reason not to apply the safety at all times. Can see u going round i circles with this one, but i would be more than happy to send any gun home from my shoot if they were not using the safety (althou almost impossible to notice in practice thou) Wether or not it actually make sthe gun any safer may be up for debate (althou not in my eyes) i think it says a lot about the person who doesn't think they need to apply it, and wot they think of there fellow guns safety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 The subject seems to have strayed ..... On the safety catch - I always use it. All but two of my guns have it auto operated - and that would be my preference. My hammer guns don't have it at all. I have one non auto o/u and I intend to get that fitted with auto (if it is possible, which I believe it should be). I now only shoot guns in the field that have a normal (i.e. on top and forward slide to fire) automatic safety catch - and I use it - always. The other guns, hammer, non auto safety - and obscurely positioned safety - I only now use on the clays field. A bit restrictive, but my choice. In the field I don't like to be distracted by having something 'different' to think about. When I say obscurely positioned, the ones I can think of are; Greener type on the side Darne type on the side (and operating backwards!) Various odd positions around the trigger guard on some auto/pumps I believe (not sure of types/makers/dates) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Must admit i wasn't going to post again and i apologise to the OP for going off on 1. Was thinking about this last nite and was actually shocked and horrified that someone would conciously not use the safety. So if u were invited to shoot for a Field Trial for instance, where u could be walking up beet, turnips, white grass, rashes, bracken etc quite possibly with ur gun closed while walking u would not apply the safety? As for the design of safety catches in general, sxs box locks have been designed in almost identical fashion since they were first designed/invented all those years ago, even with the modern CAD and manufactering no one has ever bothered to chamge the design for the safety. With all the modern techniques and the many advancements in gun technology, why have they never thought to change the safey design if it is do dangerous? the manufacters obivously don't think there is a problem with the design of the safety. Must admit i am firmly with john above on this subject, just never felt comfy with the semi auto safety when on vermin/fox drives as been used to the standard sxs safety for so long it is just a natural part of my mount But i would say it is important to realise that a safety doesn't make a gun 'safe' only the triggers, and is no substiute for proper gun handling, but i'd also say proper safe gun handling is also no substitute for also having safety on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 How has this thread gone from someone wanting to know the difference between a sporter and a game gun into another one about safety catches and gun safety , did you guys not have enough of a say on the other recent thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 to the OP, if you end up buying a sporter and are worried about the safety not being automatic on a game shoot, or failing, do as i do. my barrels stay open untill i am ready to shoot, there is usually more than enough time on a driven shoot to see the bird, close your gun, swing, pull the trigger and kill the bird. ive seen 2 guns go off with the safety applied, so never rely on it. in my opinion, safest way is to keep the gun broken untill your ready to fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 I work with gun open until just ready for the shot and after gun open again, with semi, prove unloaded before moving off and only ever load two cartridges in sporting or skeet, good training is the answer so you never have the opportunity to have a accident If you use a safety then you must have some faith in it, and that's where accidents happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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