lewis11 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Hi all, I will be applying for my firearms soon and I will need a rifle capable of fox. Eventually I will do my DSC1 and start deer stalking so preferably the rifle could be legal for deer? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 .243 colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamey Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 The 22-250 is pretty accurate and flat for taking coyotes and good distances here in Canada. I'm not sure but are there limits there governing calibre for approved land? Jeez just seen the deer part - scrub the 22-250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 .243 or bigger then for deer. Prob wont let you have a 6mm on first grant. youll be lucky to get a cf imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steyrman Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 .223 will do the trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 apply for a .22 and a .17hmr, they will grant those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimey121uk Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 apply for a .22 and a .17hmr, they will grant those. For fox and deer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 For fox and deer? No, just to get his ticket, and then it will be easier to change . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Hey, forget all this sub calibre BS- you want it for fox and deer right! A rimfire is useless for both so go for it .243 win is minimum all deer and about the biggest most forces allow for fox (with the exception of "can be used for while etc). They might impose mentoring and or you doing the DSC1 prior. IF YOU HAVE deer permission or a confirmed booking and you have suitable foxing permission go for it (you have the required good reason covered then) and fight your corner if and when required. If anything the cops should be reducing the number of guns not telling you to take up rimfires you don't have need of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 .223 will do the trick The OP is from Wiltshire, so unless he only intends taking Roe Deer in Scotland or only shooting Munties or CWD in England then the 223 will do the job although it still would'nt be my choice. Minimum 243 and above debatable whether he would get authority on a first application though ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 The law requires good reason for the calibre so as you want a rifle for deer and fox then .243 is the smallest that is legal for all species of deer. Some forces may be reluctant to give you some calibres such as 25-06 but there is no reason why with suitable permission or stalking booked you should not get .243. The alternative is two rifles. Seems Kent has beaten me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis11 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Hey, forget all this sub calibre BS- you want it for fox and deer right! A rimfire is useless for both so go for it .243 win is minimum all deer and about the biggest most forces allow for fox (with the exception of "can be used for while etc). They might impose mentoring and or you doing the DSC1 prior. IF YOU HAVE deer permission or a confirmed booking and you have suitable foxing permission go for it (you have the required good reason covered then) and fight your corner if and when required. If anything the cops should be reducing the number of guns not telling you to take up rimfires you don't have need of Thanks, this is probably one of the most helpful replies so far Although I am still young (15) I help 2/3 others to run a driven shoot and a couple of us do pest control. I can get a landowners permission for my application (around 130 acres). I will be sticking to foxes until I can afford to do my DSC1 and I can't afford to change rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 If there are foxes and deer on the land then you have your good reason. If you can tell the FEO who comes to interview you why .243 the alternative being say 22 hornet, 222 rem, or 223 rem for fox and then a 308 win for deer. A good knowledge of the land you have permission on any foot paths etc will also help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis11 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 If there are foxes and deer on the land then you have your good reason. If you can tell the FEO who comes to interview you why .243 the alternative being say 22 hornet, 222 rem, or 223 rem for fox and then a 308 win for deer. A good knowledge of the land you have permission on any foot paths etc will also help. Thanks, that should be quite alright then. I walk the land almost everyday so I know the footpaths, boundaries and backstops well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Thanks, this is probably one of the most helpful replies so far Although I am still young (15) I help 2/3 others to run a driven shoot and a couple of us do pest control. I can get a landowners permission for my application (around 130 acres). I will be sticking to foxes until I can afford to do my DSC1 and I can't afford to change rifles. Sorry to rain on your parade but without someone to gift you the ammo your frankly going nowhere with this or any FAC application at your age. Remember the buyer must have that calibre on their ticket. It a problem I also faced many years ago now. best thing is get onto BASC for details any young shot programs that could start you off on the right road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 22-250 would not be a bad choice at all if on the small deer. Which deer are you thinking of? U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis11 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Sorry to rain on your parade but without someone to gift you the ammo your frankly going nowhere with this or any FAC application at your age. Remember the buyer must have that calibre on their ticket. It a problem I also faced many years ago now. best thing is get onto BASC for details any young shot programs that could start you off on the right road kent, I thought that originally but my dad holds both SGC and FAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 does he have a suitable rifle if he does you could have his rifle on your ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therealchucknorris Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 The comments about not getting a centre fire on your first ticket aren't accurate or helpful really. It's about being able to satisfy the police that you have a need and also they need to feel a degree of confidence that you'll be able to handle the rifle (prior experience and how you come across in the interview). I'm in Wilts and had both centre fires approved on my first application despite my only prior experience shooting in the cadets a few years ago. Don't hold back on the application, the only way you'll definitely not get the calibre is not to apply for it. You can hold section 1 firearm and ammunition at your age but would just be prevented buying it but there are plenty of legal ways around that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis11 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 does he have a suitable rifle if he does you could have his rifle on your ticket. No, he has a .22rf The comments about not getting a centre fire on your first ticket aren't accurate or helpful really. It's about being able to satisfy the police that you have a need and also they need to feel a degree of confidence that you'll be able to handle the rifle (prior experience and how you come across in the interview). I'm in Wilts and had both centre fires approved on my first application despite my only prior experience shooting in the cadets a few years ago. Don't hold back on the application, the only way you'll definitely not get the calibre is not to apply for it. You can hold section 1 firearm and ammunition at your age but would just be prevented buying it but there are plenty of legal ways around that Thanks for your help, I can't personally see a reason why not as I have land to shoot over a reason for a center fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 So you apply for 22rf and 243 he applies for 243 then you can share the cabinet and ammo is no problem you have both riffles on both tickets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 On the limited information available .243 is the obvious choice, but your age will bring issues! Talk to the BASC (other shooting organisations are available) or directly to your region for information/advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 For Fox and Deer I'd go for .243. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Sorry to rain on your parade but without someone to gift you the ammo your frankly going nowhere with this or any FAC application at your age. Remember the buyer must have that calibre on their ticket. It a problem I also faced many years ago now. best thing is get onto BASC for details any young shot programs that could start you off on the right road Yes simple- reload LEE hand press and voila - all components at the moment are on 'free' sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 At your age it could be a challenge, but it's worth a try and you seem sensible enough. My advice would be to get your application in for a .243 and .22lr and your dad apply for a variation for the .243. That's a brilliant fox round that can legally take deer too. When the FEO visits to see you it can be made clear what your needs are, and that your father wants the gun so you can both use it. That will take care of the difficulty in getting hold of the gun and ammo - your dad can do it. Then you can legally use it too. I think that would be a lot easier than going it alone. It will look better to the police but put you in the same position in the end - you will have the gun that you need so how you go about it doesn't matter. It's perfectly ok for two FAC holders to share storage and guns, but you will have to have your dad's .22lr on your ticket otherwise you can't have access to the safe to get to the .243! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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