Lampwick Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Edited for your benefit. Hope you're happy now Sorry buddy it just puzzles me. Are wildfowlers a class apart and above pest control? Naturally the decision to shoot anything (legally) is personal but if it's on the GL and causing a problem what's the issue? If shooting a Canada "just as it's coming up to breed" is bad form why not so for rabbit or pigeon shooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Sorry buddy it just puzzles me. Are wildfowlers a class apart and above pest control? Naturally the decision to shoot anything (legally) is personal but if it's on the GL and causing a problem what's the issue? If shooting a Canada "just as it's coming up to breed" is bad form why not so for rabbit or pigeon shooting? The point is, if they where doing that much damage then why where they not dealt with in the season? This question comes up every year just as the season ends, people just want to keep on shooting geese all year round. I believe, though not 100% sure, that canadas are actually in decline? Anser2 will know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highbird70 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Ask yourself..... How many rabbits and pigeons, do I see all year round, then think how many Canada's you see, that should give you the answer, of why some people would like not to shoot them in this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 The point is, if they where doing that much damage then why where they not dealt with in the season? This question comes up every year just as the season ends, people just want to keep on shooting geese all year round. I believe, though not 100% sure, that canadas are actually in decline? Anser2 will know Yes I get that and did find that strange! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 If they were leaving all that poop on my ground I'd want to be very sure as many as possible can't ever do it again - to me or my neighbours. It could be argued that if wildfowlers had to feed them - or compensate landowners for the loss - or took more of them there would be less of a problem for the poor bloke who looses crop or grazing to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 If they were leaving all that poop on my ground I'd want to be very sure as many as possible can't ever do it again - to me or my neighbours. It could be argued that if wildfowlers had to feed them - or compensate landowners for the loss - or took more of them there would be less of a problem for the poor bloke who looses crop or grazing to them. Oh so its wildfowlers fault now is it? next you'll be telling me that its our fault the tides come in and flood places Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Oh so its wildfowlers fault now is it? next you'll be telling me that its our fault the tides come in and flood places It was a reasoned point of view - not an accusation. I can do roll eyes too. If the people who want their numbers kept up provided the feed for them - or compensated the landowner then it is a plain fact that it would be less of a problem for him. Have I got that wrong? Edited February 21, 2014 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Oh so its wildfowlers fault now is it? next you'll be telling me that its our fault the tides come in and flood places Blinkin wildfowlers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) It was a reasoned point of view - not an accusation. I can do roll eyes too. If the people who want their numbers kept up provided the feed for them - or compensated the landowner then it is a plain fact that it would be less of a problem for him. Have I got that wrong? Wildfowlers are not going to pay a farmer because they want to see some geese on the shore, same way a pigeon shooter is not going to pay the farmer for the crop that the pigeons eat ( ok you go to shoot lots of pigeons but the point is still the same, if you don't manage to shoot the pigeons they still eat crops ). My point is that at the end of every season, all the trigger happy muppets come out wanting to blast away at geese all year round. Its a topic that certainly does not belong in the wildfowling section. Why can they not do a proper job during the season? Geese soon shift on. Next we'll be seeing people on there asking if they can shoot pinks, or wigeon or mallard in may as they are eating the crops. Edited February 21, 2014 by Big Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Wildfowlers are not going to pay a farmer because they want to see some geese on the shore, same way a pigeon shooter is not going to pay the farmer for the crop that the pigeons eat ( ok you go to shoot lots of pigeons but the point is still the same, if you don't manage to shoot the pigeons they still eat crops ). My point is that at the end of every season, all the trigger happy muppets come out wanting to blast away at geese all year round. Its a topic that certainly does not belong in the wildfowling section. They may be trigger happy, they may be muppets but they are perfectly entitled to shoot the Canadian when they want to, talk of seasons is immaterial as there are no shooting seasons for this bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 and on that note so as not to offend the sensitivities of the wildfowling community - i've moved the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) This subject and Wildfowlers crops up a lot. Right or wrong, over the years, I have very strongly got the impression that Wildfowlers are right, and can do as they please in the name of Sport, and nobody else has any rights over Geese etc whatsoever! It is a remarkably selfish view and stands alongside that of many dog people in my opinion. Now, if you want to blast Geese out of the sky standing up to your neck in the sea and call it sport, that is fine with me, but you do not have exclusive rights to wildfowl, especially as you appear totally blinkered to the numbers and problems they cause inland from the resident population. Plenty round my way..... Have a nice day! Edited February 21, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Wildfowlers are not going to pay a farmer because they want to see some geese on the shore, same way a pigeon shooter is not going to pay the farmer for the crop that the pigeons eat ( ok you go to shoot lots of pigeons but the point is still the same, if you don't manage to shoot the pigeons they still eat crops ). My point is that at the end of every season, all the trigger happy muppets come out wanting to blast away at geese all year round. Its a topic that certainly does not belong in the wildfowling section. Why can they not do a proper job during the season? Geese soon shift on. Next we'll be seeing people on there asking if they can shoot pinks, or wigeon or mallard in may as they are eating the crops. Haha, I don't think there are many pigeon shooters who deliberately limit their bags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 This subject and Wildfowlers crops up a lot. Right or wrong, over the years, I have very strongly got the impression that Wildfowlers are right, and can do as they please in the name of Sport, and nobody else has any rights over Geese etc whatsoever! It is a remarkably selfish view and stands alongside that of many dog people in my opinion. Now, if you want to blast Geese out of the sky standing up to your neck in the sea and call it sport, that is fine with me, but you do not have exclusive rights to wildfowl, especially as you appear totally blinkered to the numbers and problems they cause inland from the resident population. Plenty round my way..... P1000063a.jpgP1000068a.jpgP1000073a.jpgP1000039a.jpg Have a nice day! Lol Loving your last image!!! Have a nice day too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 The point is, if they where doing that much damage then why where they not dealt with in the season? /quote] Because there is no season when it comes to pests. How do you know they weren't doing controlling the past 5 months anyway? I believe, though not 100% sure, that canadas are actually in decline? Anser2 will know And that would be a good thing. The correct number of canada geese is zero. They are non-native invasives. As such, they should be shot with impunity. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Ah Rick isn't that the truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 They may be trigger happy, they may be muppets but they are perfectly entitled to shoot the Canadian when they want to, talk of seasons is immaterial as there are no shooting seasons for this bird.No shooting Canadians is actually classed as murder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Sorry but its bang on to say the seasons over and all of a sudden people want to shoot them on general licence. I was happy to refuse a decent permission the other year as I offered to do them in season when the cows were mainly indoors on feed, soon as they were out on grass the birds became a problem- Tough! What is legal isn't always morally right and if you examine the terms carefully, correctly with honesty not always legal either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 ame="Big Mat" post="2451796" timestamp="1392971821"] The point is, if they where doing that much damage then why where they not dealt with in the season? /quote] Because there is no season when it comes to pests. How do you know they weren't doing controlling the past 5 months anyway? And that would be a good thing. The correct number of canada geese is zero. They are non-native invasives. As such, they should be shot with impunity. Rick what about pheasants?, andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 what about pheasants?, Andrew Frech partridge, Sika the list can be very long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 There are many non native species in the wild in this country which according to the W&C Act can/should be shot on sight...then we go an introduce seasons for many, the latest to be credited a season to my knowledge being the CWD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 No shooting Canadians is actually classed as murder If wildfowlers had their way it would be, and no doubt a full life sentence as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Frech partridge, Sika the list can be very long And i would put all of them in the same boat. Don't get me wrong, i love sporting shooting. However i think we should do everything we can to promote species which are wild bred and native through habitat improvement. That would mean english partridge, wild grouse, reds and roe, pigeons, etc. Pheasants are a man made population in this country (despite being naturalized citizens). If stocking/rearing was stopped 100% the populations would plummet as most of the land here isn't good habitat. Surely that doesn't indicate a species fit for location. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) ame="Big Mat" post="2451796" timestamp="1392971821"] The point is, if they where doing that much damage then why where they not dealt with in the season? /quote] Because there is no season when it comes to pests. How do you know they weren't doing controlling the past 5 months anyway? I believe, though not 100% sure, that canadas are actually in decline? Anser2 will know And that would be a good thing. The correct number of canada geese is zero. They are non-native invasives. As such, they should be shot with impunity. Rick They may be in decline for coastal wildfowlers, I suspect that is because they have become resident and moved inland, there are literally 1000's round here. There do also seem more than a few anomalies around non native species, seasons and the GL. Edited February 23, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 And i would put all of them in the same boat. Don't get me wrong, i love sporting shooting. However i think we should do everything we can to promote species which are wild bred and native through habitat improvement. That would mean english partridge, wild grouse, reds and roe, pigeons, etc. Pheasants are a man made population in this country (despite being naturalized citizens). If stocking/rearing was stopped 100% the populations would plummet as most of the land here isn't good habitat. Surely that doesn't indicate a species fit for location. Rick Bit like our immigration policy then, if we stopped feeding them, giving them houses, medical care, education, etc., perhaps the resident population would plummet! I have heard more than a suggestion over the years that our Roe are not native either, apparently they were hunted to extinction and our current population stems from European imports! Never seen anything specific to confirm this but heard it from more than one source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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