9mm / garden gun noise vs 410 hushpower?

[HW682]

Hi,

can anyone tell me how the noise of a 9mm shotgun compares to a fully moderated 410 hushpower, or a twangy springer air rifle which is about the same?

(I have seen them for sale with and without mods attached).

 

I know it is likley to be much quieter than a normal 12g shotgun say, but when it comes to horses (and their owners) every bit helps. I have been clearing ferrals from stables. Even at very close range (1-3 yard) the air rifle can be a bit awkward because although they will let you get that close, they are a bit fidgety and don't sit still to guarantee a clean shot.

 

From what i have read on here, a garden gun would be up to the job, but I wondered what the noise was like.

 

(I had also considered a 22 adaptor for the 410. Although they get mixed reviews, a 22 shot shell would probably kill a ferral at 1-5ft? but i am not sure how it would cope through the full length mod )

 

Cheers.

 

(edit to add that I do already have the Hushpower and was using that as a reference to compare the noise to)

Edited March 10, 2014 by HW682

[the pigeon man]

Hushpower hands down I had a BSA lightening and it was lowder than the hushpower a mate has a garden gun still lowder than hushpower

[bakerboy]

9mm garden guns are good for indoor work as they will do less damage to the fabric of the building than a powerful Air rifle, but for the noise! they are certainly "not quiet"

[HW682]

thanks for the replies

I do have the fully modded hushpower, but it way too much gun for indoor/close range. I wondered about downsizing to a 9mm but had a suspicion it might be louder. Noise really is a big factor in this location.

[Brad93]

I don't see how you can't get a clean shot with an air rifle it only takes a neck shot to take them cleanly.

[barney 66]

What about a precharged air rifle ? I have just got out my Webley FX2000 that I haven't used for a few years to sort a rat at Dads it has a weihrauch mod on it and the hammer hitting the valve is quieter than the noise at muzzle end, way quieter than Dads Bsa ultra, although it is out of action for a short while as its leaking air now

[Underdog]

I shoot in horse fields with anything!

They can be taught about noise and become very tollerent to it. Pampering horses causes them more harm in the long run. The horse around here hardly twitch anymore!

 

Airgun in buildings for me. They will buzz off after this first visit with a 9mm the next visit!

Thats my experience amd I'm sticking to it :-).

 

U.

[robbiep]

I shoot in horse fields with anything!

They can be taught about noise and become very tollerent to it. Pampering horses causes them more harm in the long run. The horse around here hardly twitch anymore!

 

U.

Agreed. I use an unmoderated 12 bore in the fields, and horses will quite easily get used to it. So much so that they can be a bit of a pain in the backside, coming over to see what's going on

[dougall]

at such short ranges just use air rifle.....you are certain to damage tiles/roofs etc with any other weapon.....go back to 10 yards and they will 'fidget' less

[kent]

I have shot hundreds of ferals in barns with air rifle (often that amount in one go) I don't get what you find difficult about it! Are you trying to shoot them all in the head? If so don't hit them in the back, from below up under the breast bone or from the side up under the fold of the wing. At just 5 yards and you hardly need sights, if they are jumpy, its likely because your within spitting distance but still having shot them up close one handed off ladders I totally don't see the issue with the airgun - its made for the job and way cheaper to use

[welshwizard]

I have used a 9mm in my garden there is not much in it noise wise compared to a good unmoderated pcp I think the pcp is slightly louder although it varies depending

on the gun , .22 shotshells are quieter but pattern is very poor and you would need to be very close , how do the adapters for .22 work in a .410 as the .22 are rimfire detonated compared to .410 being centre fire adapter would obviously need to be offset in the chamber ?

[Rimfireboy]

I don't know what 9mm garden guns some people have been using, but with rws shells that I use, it's no more than a quiet pop. No recoil, and ideal for inside buildings. They're good for rats, squirrels, ferals, etc up to about 8-10 yards. Quieter that my modded fourten which would be too much gun anyway for the job you're looking at.

[kent]

I have used a 9mm in my garden there is not much in it noise wise compared to a good unmoderated pcp I think the pcp is slightly louder although it varies depending

on the gun , .22 shotshells are quieter but pattern is very poor and you would need to be very close , how do the adapters for .22 work in a .410 as the .22 are rimfire detonated compared to .410 being centre fire adapter would obviously need to be offset in the chamber ?

 

You answered your own question. Same as a .22 blank adapter for a 12 ga for dog training

[welshwizard]

 

You answered your own question. Same as a .22 blank adapter for a 12 ga for dog training

Yes I have seen the blank adapters and the rifled tube ones but then the shot is guided by the new tube , never seen an adapter for the actual .22 shotshells though wonder if the pattern would be affected , would be ideal to use in the 9mm garden gun wouldn't it if there is a company doing them ?

[stubby]

In all honesty, your going about this in the wrong way, you have identified that they move, and your now looking at different rifles/guns etc

 

stop

 

shoot them at night when its pitch black in there, get a helper as your torch man, you want a very small beam, just enough to light up one bird, not the whole stable, at that time of night they sit still, you can simple pop them off one at a time with a pcp set up at 10yds, anywhere you put the crosshairs will hit home, dont worry about head shots, your there to do pest control, aim for either neck or shoulder, either place they wont fly, just come straight down, make sure your torch person knows how to dispatch for any that are not killed outright, the way to work it is, torch on- shoot-torch off, then same again, etc etc

yes ferals can be lamped at night, I clear london underground tunnels of feral pigeons, sometimes as many as 10 to 100 roosting on cable runs, we get every one of them,

[kent]

Yes I have seen the blank adapters and the rifled tube ones but then the shot is guided by the new tube , never seen an adapter for the actual .22 shotshells though wonder if the pattern would be affected , would be ideal to use in the 9mm garden gun wouldn't it if there is a company doing them ?

 

I suspect the charge of shot only contacts further down the tube. I find that choke seems to have a little bearing on my .410 adapters in the 12. Does it matter at such short ranges? I doubt it my only concern might be energy from what amounts to a very short barrel, again is this relevant at this range? Dunno, I should just use the airgun and make them dead real quick and easy without buying anything

[HW682]

I have used a 9mm in my garden there is not much in it noise wise compared to a good unmoderated pcp I think the pcp is slightly louder although it varies depending

on the gun , .22 shotshells are quieter but pattern is very poor and you would need to be very close , how do the adapters for .22 work in a .410 as the .22 are rimfire detonated compared to .410 being centre fire adapter would obviously need to be offset in the chamber ?

 

 

I don't know what 9mm garden guns some people have been using, but with rws shells that I use, it's no more than a quiet pop. No recoil, and ideal for inside buildings. They're good for rats, squirrels, ferals, etc up to about 8-10 yards. Quieter that my modded fourten which would be too much gun anyway for the job you're looking at.

 

Thanks for answering the question. What model garden guns do you have and are they fitted with mods at all?

 

Some of the other comments are making a bit more of a meal of it than reality I think. My thinking was simply that for moving targets a shotgun of some description might be a better tool than a rifle?

 

In no particular order,, I have PCP, not always going for headshots because that usually moves the most or is hidden behind a beam etc, can't go back 10 yds because each stable is no bigger than say 3-4 yds long at most (smallest ones less than that), can't go at night because the horses are tucked up in bed. as for pampering them.. the horses don't belong to me or the livery yard but to individual owners. All horses are different, some bomb proof, some die at their own shadow. You will also know that they can be a lot more uptight in a stable than in an open field and some are fine in the fields as they get used to gas guns and then have a fit at a crisp packet russling. If one rears up and cuts or breaks a leg in the stable I'll just say "don't worry someone on t'internet said it will be fine. It'll do it good in the long run"

Edited March 11, 2014 by HW682

[demonwolf444]

Agreed. I use an unmoderated 12 bore in the fields, and horses will quite easily get used to it. So much so that they can be a bit of a pain in the backside, coming over to see what's going on

Have to say i have the same problem with my stalking horse...i say that because he follows me around the field ive used him as a rest for a shot once ( air rifle ) but he doesnt bat a lid at the shotgun.

 

I have a clearance going on in a piggery, taking 100's at a time with the air rifle, wouldn't use anything else in a confined place, we just close up the doors and start shooting they fly from one end to another but they soon sit tight.

 

James.

[dougall]

 

 

 

Thanks for answering the question. What model garden guns do you have and are they fitted with mods at all?

 

Some of the other comments are making a bit more of a meal of it than reality I think. My thinking was simply that for moving targets a shotgun of some description might be a better tool than a rifle?

 

In no particular order,, I have PCP, not always going for headshots because that usually moves the most or is hidden behind a beam etc, can't go back 10 yds because each stable is no bigger than say 3-4 yds long at most (smallest ones less than that), can't go at night because the horses are tucked up in bed. as for pampering them.. the horses don't belong to me or the livery yard but to individual owners. All horses are different, some bomb proof, some die at their own shadow. You will also know that they can be a lot more uptight in a stable than in an open field and some are fine in the fields as they get used to gas guns and then have a fit at a crisp packet russling. If one rears up and cuts or breaks a leg in the stable I'll just say "don't worry someone on t'internet said it will be fine. It'll do it good in the long run"

shooting at 3 yards...has to be air,anything else will damage fabric of stable......central body shots will kill at that range no worries..I cannot see shotgun being appropriate/if wood will damage it,if metal lots of pellet richochets...also the noise in such a confined space far more likely to spook any horses nearby than your pcp...use air gun wear glasses,forget shotguns. ...I presume you are shooting when the horses are out of the stables??..if they are in I think you are an insurance claim waiting to happen with whatever gun you use!

[Rimfireboy]

I think that a garden gun is a better tool for the job than an air rifle. #10 shot from a 9mm flobert cartridge will cause very little, if any damage to the fabric of a building. It's like shooting a pinch of grit. I use an old bolt action garden gun and it's my first choice for such situations. No moderator on mine, 24:1/2 inch barrel with front and rear sights. But then, at three yards, if you already have a .22 rimfire you could try .22 shotshells. No range about these things but they'll work at three yards.

[ChrisAsh]

Why not a air pistol or catapult

[HW682]

I think that a garden gun is a better tool for the job than an air rifle. #10 shot from a 9mm flobert cartridge will cause very little, if any damage to the fabric of a building. It's like shooting a pinch of grit. I use an old bolt action garden gun and it's my first choice for such situations. No moderator on mine, 24:1/2 inch barrel with front and rear sights. But then, at three yards, if you already have a .22 rimfire you could try .22 shotshells. No range about these things but they'll work at three yards.

 

Thanks again

[hedd-wyn]

I want a garden gun after reading this

[welshwizard]

I have a Manuarm bolt action 9mm no moderator as we said you don't need it , the cartridges are mostly no.9 shot but I have got a few boxes of 7 1/2 and one box of 6 shot

which gives little more punch with double charge shell .

The .22 shotshells are very quiet too but I would think you would have to be within about 8 -10 feet to kill a pigeon with them .