Michaeli Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Hi all. We seam to have a little problem in my back garden. Earlyer in the year (jan) i lost two phesants that were hung on my shed to mr fox (phesants were at least 4-5ft off the ground, he pulled them off and left me with the two heads and the string) Next door have also seen him and the last week i left a pigeon out on grass and caught him taking it so i know hes about. Hes a very scruffy looking fox. In a few weeks time we are getting chickens and my next door nabour has a young baby that will be on the grass in a few weeks (supervised of course) so he needs to go. The down side is i live i a built up area in nottingham with house either side but a massive allotment behind my house. Now i can get him to within 15 yards of my bedroom window but nows the problem. I have shotguns, .308 and .17hmr and a FAC (35ft lb) .22 air rifle. But the shot guns and rifles will be way to loud and there is mixed reports about a 35ft lb air rifle (21 gr pellets) being up to the job. (30ft lb at 15 yards) So if i cant use the above has any one any other ideas or if the air rifle will do the job etc. Thanks Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjm Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 A baited cage trap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Either trap him and take him to where you can use your larger guns and dispatch or acquire a moderated .410 and do it quieter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 You will undoubtedly get plenty of people on here telling you to use the FAC air, but please don't. According to the firearms guidance, FAC air is NOT suitable for fox. I'd imagine if caught then you would face prosecution by RSPCA, etc. I'd be inclined to get a cage trap, and then a friend with a moderated 22LR, or a 410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaeli Posted April 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 I was thinking the same with the fac air, hense not sorted yet. So cage trap might be my best option. Does anyone in the nottingham (home) Lioncoln (work) areas have a cage trap i can borrow. Thanks Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 a quick one for one variation get rid of fac air for 22lr no costs ... i shot another last night in the garden Wright up to come lol.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 a quick one for one variation get rid of fac air for 22lr no costs ... i shot another last night in the garden Wright up to come lol.. Do you phone police first to let them know what's going on incase a neighbour rings and you have your own helicopter and armed response team there? I am having foxes pass through my garden and may be getting some chickens so need to keep on top of them. In honesty, I don't particularly like the idea of putting a live one in my car in a trap either. When I was a pest controller, we caught a domesticated cat in a fox trap and it was mental when we let it out, it ran at me and then my colleague! If you have open ticket, could you if your backstop is safe (i.e ground) use a .22LR in a garden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Do you phone police first to let them know what's going on incase a neighbour rings and you have your own helicopter and armed response team there? I am having foxes pass through my garden and may be getting some chickens so need to keep on top of them. In honesty, I don't particularly like the idea of putting a live one in my car in a trap either. When I was a pest controller, we caught a domesticated cat in a fox trap and it was mental when we let it out, it ran at me and then my colleague! If you have open ticket, could you if your backstop is safe (i.e ground) use a .22LR in a garden? if you have open ticket safe backstop and fox on ticket or aolq with a subsonic round and a modded 22 rifle.. fine dont make it too obvious as to what your doing dont hang out window waving your gun just be very desecrate key is to make it super safe get him on the lawn with some sort of surroundings.. i shoot down out of the back window into the ground in front of a shed so if by chance the round lifts from the lawn it will hit the shed and stop there...but with my angle that would never happen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 If you had a 22 lr that would be my answer as you haven't baited live trap then dispatch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Have you thought about a friend with a moderated .22LR and sub-sonic ammunition with an Open Ticket to shoot it from an upstairs bedroom window to create a safe backstop and to stop the bullet from leaving the boundary of your land - You could put some bait out to "encourage" the fox in the safest shooting position. That would surely be a discrete, legal and (in theory) permenent, humane and final solution for your "unwanted visitor", an option that is open to you which is certainly well worth considering! And of course as said by Mentalmalc if you were to choose this option it would be well worth phone the police beforehand to let them know what you are planning on doing just in case a "concerned neighbour" phones them to complain. Edited May 1, 2014 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 If this was November then the issue of loud noise would not even get past the first post.....as the firework lunatic's seem to find even louder rockets to let of through that month. No one calls the police when they let off a box of Air Bombs just after dark..... The biggest issue is missing it as there is a good chance your gun will be set up for 100 + yards. Personally I would have just whacked it and typed nothing as one would hope you field craft would have told you what to do.... TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) Trap or a 22r/f with subs if you no anyone with one on a open ticket. Oooops sorry frenchie just duplicated what you said :-) Edited May 1, 2014 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 all very well saying "trap it" but what exactly is he going to despatch it with? FAC air? transporting a live fox in a trap is opening yourself up to all manner of issues. first one being bitten, scratched or ******** on by one seriously ********** off fox. you going to put it in the boot? would love to see the coppers face if you get pulled over second one is almost certainly becoming liable to potential cruelty to animals charges as there is no need to transport it anywhere as you should have dispatched it on sight. get a .22lr or find someone who can dispatch ON SITE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaeli Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Hi all, Thanks for your help. The plan is to trap and once trapped i have a frend that will come round the next morning and dispatch on site. Just need to sort out a trap and he'll be gone, i left a pigeon on the grass area i will trap him on and it was gone this morning and feathers found were i have caught him laying in the day. Thanks Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/282262-urban-foxing-part-two/ This was really cool by Camokid - along the lines of what Frenchieboy said too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/282262-urban-foxing-part-two/ This was really cool by Camokid - along the lines of what Frenchieboy said too. thanks .. this was the first one http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/269155-fox-attack/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 thanks .. this was the first one http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/269155-fox-attack/ Nice! Part2 is a more sophisticated way of doing it I reckon. I must get around to putting in for a 1for1 variation to swap FAC air for a 22LR but don't know if they'll keep it as an open. My FAC Air22 is worded that I can use it anywhere I deem safe and appropriate (words similar) but the HMR is on land deemed suitable by the chief police and so on... Wonder if now after a year of FAC rifle ownership I could get 22LR instead of FAC Air and open! If so, the foxes in my garden won't be around much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camokid Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Nice! Part2 is a more sophisticated way of doing it I reckon. I must get around to putting in for a 1for1 variation to swap FAC air for a 22LR but don't know if they'll keep it as an open. My FAC Air22 is worded that I can use it anywhere I deem safe and appropriate (words similar) but the HMR is on land deemed suitable by the chief police and so on... Wonder if now after a year of FAC rifle ownership I could get 22LR instead of FAC Air and open! If so, the foxes in my garden won't be around much longer. no harm in asking ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 no harm in asking ! You are right, would miss my Falcon I guess, but would be a nice upgrade to LR. I find myself using my old 12ft lb springer much more when under 30 yards and the HMR for the other stuff so the Falcon just gathers dust in the cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Or alternatively, make sure your chickens have a good secure pen and don,t worry about the fox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear-uk Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 North Yorks will not allow you to use a .22lr on foxes. Not a large enough calibre as far as there concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 North Yorks will not allow you to use a .22lr on foxes. Not a large enough calibre as far as there concerned. If a FEO says that, then quite simply refer them to the official home office guidance, which says says that it CAN be suitable, at close range and in experienced hands. If they still refuse, then ask them to put it in writing, along with their reasons for the refusal. I'm sure BASC (along with others) would be highly interested. However, I strongly suspect that if you asked for it in writing, along with reasons, then you would get a 'oh, all right, in this case' sort of reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 If its an urban fox they trap easier, if not remember to cover the bottom of the trap with turf/soil. John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 Or alternatively, make sure your chickens have a good secure pen and don,t worry about the fox? Good tip. I live in the country and surrounded by foxes. I have had them lifted in broad daylight in the garden when I let them out of the run. If you have gundog(s) then use them to your advantage. My hen run is right beside the dog run. The hens and dogs coexist happily,but the dogs seem to put the foxes coming too close to the run. The only hens I have lost in the run were to a buzzard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyNCC Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 Can you not use shotgun by law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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